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    The following is a letter to the American Physical Society released to the public by Professor Emiritus of physics Hal Lewis of the University of California at Santa Barbara.
    t is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare.erything that has been done in the last year has been designed to silence debateAPS position, also contains what I consider pompous and asinine advice to all world governments, as if the APS were master of the universe. It is not, and I am embarrassed that our leaders seem to think it is. This is not fun and games, these are serious matters involving vast fractions of our national substance, and the reputation of the Society as a scientific society is at stake.
    3. In the interim the ClimateGate scandal broke into the news, and the machinations of the principal alarmists were revealed to the world. It was a fraud on a scale I have never seen, and I lack the words to describe its enormity. APS management has gamed the problem from the beginning, to suppress serious conversation about the merits of the climate change claims.
    http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclu...sical-society/

  • #2
    He's a physicist, angry that the American Physics Society (whose mission is "to advance and diffuse the knowledge of physics") didn't want to get involved in climate change...which is, of course, in no way related to the advancing nor diffusion of the knowledge of physics.
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    • #3
      yes, thousands of scientists united....cept this guy.

      cuz its far easier to corrupt thousands...than one.

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      • #4
        Do enough digging into the research into global warming and it is obvious there is an agenda.

        Fudged data, manipulated models, lack of consistency.

        The sun operates in cycles - the cycle has turned and it is emitting less energy which is why there has been no global warming for 19 years and ice continues to build in the arctic (even though Al Gore said in 2007 it would be gone by 2014).

        It is a great story that always has the same answer: more money to government to solve the supposed problem.


        Pollution and altering the earth's climate are two vastly different things.

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        • #5
          i am not a believer of "man-made" global warming. for the amount of data collected to come up with the conclusion is a fraction. in every other science correlation doesn't equal causation except for this. throughout the history of earth it has been proven that there are hot and cold periods. this doesn't mean i don't think that using green products and being good to the environment is not needed, that is just common sense but about 93 000 000 miles away is the cause of the problem.

          everything that we as people do is almost insignificant, 15 container ships pollute more than every car in the world per year.
          http://www.gizmag.com/shipping-pollution/11526/

          i don't think climate change is a hoax, just the cause. even if they are for good reason

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          • #6
            Climate change is no doubt real. 'Global warming' is questionable. The impact of man's activity on the climate is uncertain and the whole climategate fiasco sheds some light on why people should question the narrative.

            Superjudge wrote: View Post
            yes, thousands of scientists united....cept this guy.

            cuz its far easier to corrupt thousands...than one.

            I don't see anywhere in that letter where he suggests everyone but him is corrupted. Unless I missed it and if so please point it out.

            The climategate documents illustrated doctored data to arrive at an objective. Doctored data supports the position; the science is backed up by the data. There is no giant conspiracy of scientist everywhere pulling the wool over our eyes.

            The minute we see people fabricating data to prove a stance is the minute we should all pause and revisit the whole thing. The truth shouldn't need lies to support its validity, right?

            JimiCliff wrote: View Post
            He's a physicist, angry that the American Physics Society (whose mission is "to advance and diffuse the knowledge of physics") didn't want to get involved in climate change...which is, of course, in no way related to the advancing nor diffusion of the knowledge of physics.
            "Climategate" (that which goes on in the shadows as per the document leak) is counter to that mission, no? To me it sounds like he arrived at a point where he felt he had to decide either he has integrity or he had integrity. He decided he has integrity and the rest fell into place due to that decision based on what he believes to be true.

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            • #7
              Ok, you guys are right.

              There is no issue.

              Its all fine here.

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              • #8
                For a scientist he didn't really back up his argument at all. All he did was say "they're wrong and I'm right" which has me interested in what he's going to say and then he didn't say anything. He just bashed other scientests. He sounds like a news anchor on Fox.

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                • #9
                  He used the climategate scandal and personal experience. Have you dug into climategate? There is a lot of troubling stuff to take a look at there. That scandal was a big blow to some of those pushing man made climate change theory.

                  Truth need not be supported with lies. The truth is bullet proof yet some of these people aren't using the truth as per the scandal. He's right, some clearly are corrupted and it's probably money because I don't know why else one would be motivated to do that. If a scientist knows something to be true it's because he proved it as fact. If it cannot be proven then move along, right? That's how science is supposed to work, that's what were taught. What's happening here almost appears to be a man made climate change religion and if you dare question the dogma you should be shamed and your credibility destroyed. In America some scientists are pushing for the feds to use RICO on those who question the man made theory. That is troubling if it were to become popular.

                  Trenberth, in other words, deliberately misrepresented the science in order to advance his political agenda. We know what that political agenda was – and is – because he revealed it in that “travesty” email. Having made up his mind about the existence of what we now call Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming – even to the point of expressing irritation when the observed data refused to conform with the theoretical models he so worshipped – he chose cynically and dishonestly to ramp up public hysteria by lying at a press conference about a connection between global warming and hurricanes which he knew was not true.

                  Let us savour, for a moment, the sheer gall of this puffed up, vindictive, self-righteous, grandstanding, mendacious bully whose influential position in the US scientific establishment is generously funded by the American taxpayer.

                  Trenberth is a liar, a proven liar, who has now written a letter to the president full of still more lies urging the use of racketeering laws to harrass and pursue scientists for the crime of being more rigorous and questioning about science than Kevin Trenberth.

                  There’s a word for this kind of preposterous inversion of the natural order. I think it begins with a “T”.
                  http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...jail-skeptics/

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                  • #10
                    Apollo wrote: View Post
                    He used the climategate scandal and personal experience. Have you dug into climategate? There is a lot of troubling stuff to take a look at there. That scandal was a big blow to some of those pushing man made climate change theory.

                    Truth need not be supported with lies. The truth is bullet proof yet some of these people aren't using the truth as per the scandal. He's right, some clearly are corrupted and it's probably money because I don't know why else one would be motivated to do that. If a scientist knows something to be true it's because he proved it as fact. If it cannot be proven then move along, right? That's how science is supposed to work, that's what were taught. What's happening here almost appears to be a man made climate change religion and if you dare question the dogma you should be shamed and your credibility destroyed. In America some scientists are pushing for the fedsto use RICO on those who question the man made theory. That is troubling if it were to become popular.


                    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...jail-skeptics/
                    There was this thread from a little more than a year ago:

                    http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/forum...l=1#post365706



                    I am still not converted and am much more prepared for the ridicule this year.

                    Man can cause pollution but there is zero evidence that man has changed climate that doesn't rely on man made models with man altered inputs to reach man desired outcome.

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                    • #11
                      Oh yeah I forgot about that. You have to admit that was a pretty damn fine September snowman I made last year. I since move out of Calgary but I hear they got dumped on twice in August if you can believe that.

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                      • #12
                        I look at this issue this way: when the people who keep telling me it's a crisis start acting like it's a crisis, then I'm in. So, for example, when David Suzuki sells his 4 or 5 houses and stops commuting anywhere at all and the UN guys stop flying thousands of people in private jets all over the world to meetings about climate change and the celebrities sell their 5 million homes and private jets and Maui winter homes, then I'll start paying attention. Until then, all these guys living like modern royalty while telling us we all have to do with less can fuck off.

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                        • #13
                          Slaw, such thoughtcrimes...

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                          • #14
                            slaw wrote: View Post
                            I look at this issue this way: when the people who keep telling me it's a crisis start acting like it's a crisis, then I'm in. So, for example, when David Suzuki sells his 4 or 5 houses and stops commuting anywhere at all and the UN guys stop flying thousands of people in private jets all over the world to meetings about climate change and the celebrities sell their 5 million homes and private jets and Maui winter homes, then I'll start paying attention. Until then, all these guys living like modern royalty while telling us we all have to do with less can fuck off.
                            Ugh, I very cautiously wade into the Climate debate ... I'm not sure the argument has ever been "the individual consumer needs to cut his or her greenhouse footprint in order to save the planet"; the average person, commute and all, is probably 0.05% of the problem. The issue at hand is Governments not acting on promises that were made LONG ago to cut emmissions to reasonable levels. The only thing stopping this from happening is corporations not wanting to hurt the bottom line; which again, is where the Government should be stepping in to curb such careless actions, while offering up incentives to do so.

                            The issue shouldn't be whether or not our actions are having a negative impact in environment - why does the Earth need to be visibly dying in order for us to wake up and realize the way we treat our planet is NOT sustainable?

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                            • #15
                              Being someone who worked in the utilities industry in western Canada for seven years I can honestly tell you with great certainty there is a sound, structured plan to take all coal offline in the not too distant future and replace it with alternative sources; those sources in some cases are already real projects ongoing.

                              Of course, when you look at how much emissions Canada puts into the air in comparison to China and India for example, its like removing a grain of sand from a beach. Only in this case Canadians will have to foot the bill because the citizen always pays one way or another.

                              Meanwhile the rest of the beach is going nowhere, if anything there is a fleet of trucks carrying more and more sand to smother us all... If man made climate change is real that is.

                              Any efforts made by Canada to greatly reduce emissions is in vain without the real producers stepping up to the plate but you'll never see that happen; you won't see the likes of China, India or Russia de-industrialize. You won't see poor countries dieing to be like us de-industrialize either.


                              Joey wrote: View Post
                              The issue at hand is Governments not acting on promises that were made LONG ago to cut emmissions to reasonable levels.
                              I'd also ask you what is reasonable? Who determined what is reasonable? How do they know it is reasonable? What is their basis for everything?

                              There are studies out there which indicate that perhaps the solar system may go through warming and cooling cycles due to the Sun and all the planets may be heating up due to these cycles. Of course, these are theories without doctored data slam dunking them through the truth bucket.

                              I agree that man made pollutants are a real problem though. I agree that emissions should be lowered substantially in particular places around the world without a doubt as well. I'm not sold on the man made climate change though. Not after climategate.
                              Last edited by Apollo; Wed Oct 7th, 2015, 02:11 PM. Reason: More to add.

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