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  • #46
    Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    On these Hammonds. No where in the constitution do they have the right to occupy a federal building. They have every right to protest and the public has every right to disagree or agree with them.

    These guys might be crazy, but they also might feel like they are out of options. That said, I disagree with their method of protest.
    Or Bundys, whoever they are...
    Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways
    Because its 2015

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    • #47
      Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
      The issue is his illegal executive actions. Rand Paul actually does a decent job of explaining the issue. Watch the video I've linked to. I'd be interested to hear what you guys think.

      Also, it's important to note that constitutionally the States can impose stricter gun laws. The second amendment only applies federally. It can be ammended but there is a process that has to be followed.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P-pSboOoYSg
      I actually kind of like Rand Paul. And I'm fine with his response here. Except he never answers Joys question, being that Obama has tried to go through congress (as Rand admits) and considering congress is owned by lobbyists and big gun companies, its no surprise Obama was able to get absolutely nowhere.

      I'd also like to add this tidbit from the President of the American Constitution Society, where she states among plenty of reasoning:
      "Well, you know, we worked with a group of constitutional law experts who have laid out very clearly that within the understanding of the Constitution and the president’s executive authority, he is clearly empowered to do what he needs to do to make sure our laws are enforced.(Source)"
      Obama seems to be constitutionally within his rights to do this.
      Last edited by Joey; Fri Jan 8th, 2016, 12:28 AM.

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      • #48
        Joey wrote: View Post
        I actually kind of like Rand Paul. And I'm fine with his response here. Except he never answers Joys question, being that Obama has tried to go through congress (as Rand admits) and considering congress is owned by lobbyists and big gun companies, its no surprise Obama was able to get absolutely nowhere.

        I'd also like to add this tidbit from the President of the American Constitution Society, where she states among plenty of reasoning:
        "Well, you know, we worked with a group of constitutional law experts who have laid out very clearly that within the understanding of the Constitution and the president’s executive authority, he is clearly empowered to do what he needs to do to make sure our laws are enforced.(Source)"
        Obama seems to be constitutionally within his rights to do this.
        "To make sure our laws are enforced" not "make up my own laws".

        One way to look at it is that the gun lobby owns congress. Another way is that congress is protecting the constitution. Guess it depends what side you're on. And that applies to all special interest groups.

        Just because Obama wants something doesn't mean congress has to do it. Congress and senate are both republican majorities. They represent the people, they aren't there to execute obamas will.
        Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways
        Because its 2015

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        • #49
          To make sure the constitution is fairly applied to all, they should remove all modern firearms from the population and provide everyone with muskets when they turn 18.
          Heir, Prince of Cambridge

          If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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          • #50
            Axel wrote: View Post
            To make sure the constitution is fairly applied to all, they should remove all modern firearms from the population and provide everyone with muskets when they turn 18.
            lol. lets take it a step further and get rid of all the guns in the world. the problem with this is that if the citizens have only muskets and the government of tyranny has mp5s then the "freedom fighters" will be slaughtered.

            the idea that the government will never resort to that again is naive.

            very strong registry laws should be in place to control the dispersal of firearms to make sure criminals and mentally unstable people can't purchase them.

            in china the people make man made rocket launchers from fireworks. my vpn is down right now but if you google chinese man creates man made rocket launcher to defend his farm you should be able to see it.

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            • #51
              That guys sounds like a real and more dangerous MacGuiver.

              Question: who was he defending his farm from?

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              • #52
                Apollo wrote: View Post
                That guys sounds like a real and more dangerous MacGuiver.

                Question: who was he defending his farm from?
                local government that wanted to steal his land and sell it to construction. they hire the mob to go at the families and if they don't leave from fear or beatings they send in the police

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                • #53
                  So back to the REAL topic of this thread....

                  The County Sherriff had his first face to face meeting with Ammon Bundy (terrible name) yesterday:

                  "I'm here because the citizens of Harney County have asked me to come out and ask you folks to peacefully leave," Ward said, offering the protesters a "safe escort" out.

                  But Bundy declined, saying he and his compatriots were "being ignored again."

                  "The government, in order to be legitimate in these United States, must acknowledge a redress of grievances by citizens," he said.

                  The two men then shook hands and went their separate ways. The sheriff's office said they planned to meet again Friday.

                  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...upiers-n492486

                  So we wait....
                  Heir, Prince of Cambridge

                  If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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                  • #54
                    Axel wrote: View Post
                    So back to the REAL topic of this thread....

                    The County Sherriff had his first face to face meeting with Ammon Bundy (terrible name) yesterday:

                    "I'm here because the citizens of Harney County have asked me to come out and ask you folks to peacefully leave," Ward said, offering the protesters a "safe escort" out.

                    But Bundy declined, saying he and his compatriots were "being ignored again."

                    "The government, in order to be legitimate in these United States, must acknowledge a redress of grievances by citizens," he said.

                    The two men then shook hands and went their separate ways. The sheriff's office said they planned to meet again Friday.

                    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...upiers-n492486

                    So we wait....

                    lol, the bold. government not legit until these guys are allowed to do whatever they want. haha

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                    • #55
                      “I think what I’d do, as president, is I would make a phone call to whoever, to the group,” he said, adding later, “I’d talk to the leader. I would talk to him and I would say, ‘You gotta get out — come see me, but you gotta get out.'”

                      “You cannot let people take over federal property,” Mr. Trump said. “You can’t, because once you do that, you don’t have a government anymore. I think, frankly, they’ve been there too long.”
                      http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...inese-exports/

                      Trump is good at saying what whoever he's speaking to wants to hear.

                      I don't think a President should be directly involved with something like this. These guys are looking for validation and there's no bigger validation of their "power" than for the most powerful man on earth to stop what he's doing and have a chat with them. It makes the government look weak and incompetent and it makes the crazies with guns look strong.

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                      • #56
                        Apollo wrote: View Post
                        http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...inese-exports/

                        Trump is good at saying what whoever he's speaking to wants to hear.

                        I don't think a President should be directly involved with something like this. These guys are looking for validation and there's no bigger validation of their "power" than for the most powerful man on earth to stop what he's doing and have a chat with them. It makes the government look weak and incompetent and it makes the crazies with guns look strong.
                        or at least legitimate and it sets a horrid precedence for future issues.

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                        • #57
                          #Al-Sha-Bubba #Yokel-Harum
                          #Hossballah #Yeehawd

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                          • #58
                            Apollo wrote: View Post
                            http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...inese-exports/

                            Trump is good at saying what whoever he's speaking to wants to hear.

                            I don't think a President should be directly involved with something like this. These guys are looking for validation and there's no bigger validation of their "power" than for the most powerful man on earth to stop what he's doing and have a chat with them. It makes the government look weak and incompetent and it makes the crazies with guns look strong.
                            I wonder if that is why it was the county sheriff to meet with them instead of the FBI (who are on the scene). Keep it lower levels until necessary.
                            Heir, Prince of Cambridge

                            If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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                            • #59
                              Axel wrote: View Post
                              I wonder if that is why it was the county sheriff to meet with them instead of the FBI (who are on the scene). Keep it lower levels until necessary.
                              To really drive the message home, they should have sent one of the the sheriff's patrolmen for the powwow

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                              • #60
                                Bendit wrote: View Post
                                To really drive the message home, they should have sent one of the the sheriff's patrolmen for the powwow
                                Or an unescorted canine unit.

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