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JWash wrote: View PostThe story with Lowry and Billups is oddly similar.
Score first guards who didn't really get a real shot at running a team full-time until their mid-late 20s. Then blossomed into all-star in their late twenties. Billups went on to play at a star level until he was like 34. Maybe Lowry can do the same.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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JWash wrote: View PostI'd change this to "finals". Might be able to push Cleveland but we'd get annihilated by GS or San Antonio.
GS or San Antonio will be too beat up by facing each other (and depending on who won, possibly the Thunder as well). Ripe for the pickings...of course, you're still right and I changed my original post there."My biggest concern as a coach is to not confuse winning with progress." - Steve Kerr
"If it's unacceptable in defeat, it's unacceptable in victory." - Jeff Van Gundy
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Just Is wrote: View PostIt's actually why I put the qualifier on Casey there.
GS or San Antonio will be too beat up by facing each other (and depending on who won, possibly the Thunder as well). Ripe for the pickings...of course, you're still right and I changed my original post there.
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JWash wrote: View PostThe story with Lowry and Billups is oddly similar.
Score first guards who didn't really get a real shot at running a team full-time until their mid-late 20s. Then blossomed into all-star in their late twenties. Billups went on to play at a star level until he was like 34. Maybe Lowry can do the same.
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JWash wrote: View PostI hear people say this every year in the playoffs and it's clear as day from looking at trends over the years that this plays next to no factor in how well a team does in the playoffs unless somebody actually gets injured and cannot play."My biggest concern as a coach is to not confuse winning with progress." - Steve Kerr
"If it's unacceptable in defeat, it's unacceptable in victory." - Jeff Van Gundy
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Barolt wrote: View PostAs good as Lowry is, I think you're doing a disservice to Billups with this comparison. His best seasons were really, really outstanding. Billups' career TS% is better than the best season in Lowry's career.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View PostBillups also never made an all star game until he was 30 and never scored 20 ppg. I think it could also be called a disservice to Lowry to dismiss the comparison altogether until we can see if he keeps this level for 4 or 5 more years and leads a team very deep into the early summer playoffs.
Lowry is a very, very good player. One of the 20 or so best in the game right now. Billups might be one of the 100 best players ever to play the game.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Barolt wrote: View PostAs good as Lowry is, I think you're doing a disservice to Billups with this comparison. His best seasons were really, really outstanding. Billups' career TS% is better than the best season in Lowry's career.KeonClark wrote: View PostBillups also never made an all star game until he was 30 and never scored 20 ppg. I think it could also be called a disservice to Lowry to dismiss the comparison altogether until we can see if he keeps this level for 4 or 5 more years and leads a team very deep into the early summer playoffs.
Billups was more efficient, definitely his TS% was always around 60% in his prime years, while Lowry's been in the mid-high 50s. Billups has eclipsed Lowry's career high WS/48 of .203 on 4 different occasions (3 of which came after 30... like wtf). I think that Billups was able to do this though because 1.) He didn't have as large of a scoring role on the Pistons, as in he wasn't needed or asked to pour in 20 a game and 2.) Because the Pistons, for all the talk about their defense, played a way better offensive system than we do especially under Flip Saunders in the mid 2000s. The ball hummed on that team. Obviously Rip and Chauncey still got theirs, but those teams were excellent at moving the basketball to create easy scoring opportunities.
I wonder if Lowry and DeRozan could take that next step if we improved the offensive system to lessen their burden and generate easier looks on the offensive end.
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Barolt wrote: View PostBillups won his title and finals MVP at 27. Seriously, compare his advanced stats to Lowry's. The comparison just isn't that good.
Lowry is a very, very good player. One of the 20 or so best in the game right now. Billups might be one of the 100 best players ever to play the game.
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JWash wrote: View PostI get what both of you are saying, but there's a reason why Billups was able to be more efficient than Lowry and also a reason why ppg doesn't tell the whole story.
Billups was more efficient, definitely his TS% was always around 60% in his prime years, while Lowry's been in the mid-high 50s. Billups has eclipsed Lowry's career high WS/48 of .203 on 4 different occasions (3 of which came after 30... like wtf). I think that Billups was able to do this though because 1.) He didn't have as large of a scoring role on the Pistons, as in he wasn't needed or asked to pour in 20 a game and 2.) Because the Pistons, for all the talk about their defense, played a way better offensive system than we do especially under Flip Saunders in the mid 2000s. The ball hummed on that team. Obviously Rip and Chauncey still got theirs, but those teams were excellent at moving the basketball to create easy scoring opportunities.
I wonder if Lowry and DeRozan could take that next step if we improved the offensive system to lessen their burden and generate easier looks on the offensive end.
I actually think DeMar's better than Rip was though, and most around here consider me a DeMar hater. Rip played in a better system for a better coach though, and DeMar's decision making before this season was... flawed, at best.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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JWash wrote: View PostYeah JV is never touching Big Ben's impact unfortunately. He was basically the equivalent of Steph's offense but on the defensive end.
Rip and DD is oddly similar too. Both guys were pretty inefficient mid-range jumpshooters until Rip randomly got efficient at age 27, and DD is doing the same thing now at 26. They did it differently though. Rip just got absurdly good at shooting long 2s and added a respectable 3. DeRozan is doing it by attacking the paint more.
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Barolt wrote: View PostI love Rip and Chauncey, and I'm a huge fan of Lowry and somewhat coming around on DeMar(give me time and let him continue the better decision making). If Lowry becomes 30+ Billups that'd be a dream. DeMar and Rip as a comparison I don't like because of the differences in how they get their offense. DeMar's a guy who likes the ball in his hands, Rip was a off-screen type of player. The mid-range version of Ray Allen.
I actually think DeMar's better than Rip was though, and most around here consider me a DeMar hater. Rip played in a better system for a better coach though, and DeMar's decision making before this season was... flawed, at best.
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Snooch wrote: View Postrip was better than Demar. you take the entire package of todays Demar and compare that to just the defense of RIP....and Rip wins overall better player.
DeMar's not nearly the defender Rip was, but you also couldn't build an offense around Rip. Whether or not you can win a title building around DeMar is yet to be seen, but he can be the centerpiece of a solid offense. I'm not a DeMar lover either, you know this.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Barolt wrote: View PostThere's a lot of differences between the two, but a big one is that Rip played surrounded by defensive studs. He was also asked to do a lot less.
DeMar's not nearly the defender Rip was, but you also couldn't build an offense around Rip. Whether or not you can win a title building around DeMar is yet to be seen, but he can be the centerpiece of a solid offense. I'm not a DeMar lover either, you know this.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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