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Thread: Raptors Salary Cap Situation (and planning for the future)

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    Quote KHD wrote: View Post
    ok i missed something... why are we hard-capped?
    Because of the sign and trade with Indiana

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    ok i missed something... why are we hard-capped?
    We are receiving Miles in a sign and trade. Teams that a) receive a player in a sign and trade or b) use the full MLE or BAE, are hard capped for the year.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    We are receiving Miles in a sign and trade. Teams that a) receive a player in a sign and trade or b) use the full MLE or BAE, are hard capped for the year.
    oh.

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    Quote KHD wrote: View Post
    ok i missed something... why are we hard-capped?
    S&t

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    Oops, didn't refresh sorry

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    Now the big question will be whether we spend up to the hard cap or whether we try to stay below the tax. What happens with the hard cap and player incentives? Can we go above the hard cap once the season is underway (ie by trading the player exception at the deadline)?

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    It's a hard cap. You can't go above it. Period.

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    Now.... I heard that if we restructure Miles deal to be 4 years with the 4th year as the PO, we can still use the MLE. Is this true, Dan?

    Also, we do have the Bi-Annual Exception to use as well, right?
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    Now.... I heard that if we restructure Miles deal to be 4 years with the 4th year as the PO, we can still use the MLE. Is this true, Dan?

    Also, we do have the Bi-Annual Exception to use as well, right?
    Yes, to do a sign and trade, there must be 3 regular years before any option year. So a 3+1 deal would work. Question is if Masai wants to commit money beyond this 3 year window. The options are: give Miles a simple 3 year contract, no option; give him a 3+1 deal, which puts the organization at risk of carrying that 4th year cost; give him a 3+1 deal where the player option year is partially guaranteed (for a couple million or something), allowing the team to shed most of that salary if he opts in, and giving him the control to get out, just a year later than he wanted.

    In any of those cases, the MLE would be freed up. And yes, we do have the BAE. But the real restrictor is the hard cap - we only have somewhere between 3-4.5M to offer under the hard cap even if we do keep the MLE to use. Moving a guy like Nogueira for nothing could free up that number to 6-7.5M, most of the MLE, but not enough to match offers from other MLE-using teams.

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    It's been a while since this go-to reference thread has been updated. So I am going to write out what I understand about our current financial position and ask for corrections (then edit here for clarity).

    1. While we are under the hard cap this year, we will not be under the hard cap next year unless we make a move which triggers it again.
    2. After the Caboclo trade, we can bring on a player on the vet minimum without triggering the luxury tax.
    3. We have a trade exception from the Carroll trade which we will have just under two weeks to use at the start of July.
    4. Fred Van Vleet is a restricted free agent, meaning we can match offer sheets for him if the price is right.
    5. We will be able to use the mid-level exception next year.
    6. Despite the flexibility we have due to the combination of items 3, 4, and 5, taking full advantage of even two of these opportunities will be EXPENSIVE. Unless there is a pretty major opportunity that presents itself to us, it is unlikely we take advantage of more than one of these options without making a trade to clear salary (if that's even possible in the current salary environment).

    My thanks to those more knowledgeable than I am, whose knowledge stated elsewhere I am relying on for this.

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    Quote TheWaterboy wrote: View Post
    It's been a while since this go-to reference thread has been updated. So I am going to write out what I understand about our current financial position and ask for corrections (then edit here for clarity).

    1. While we are under the hard cap this year, we will not be under the hard cap next year unless we make a move which triggers it again.
    2. After the Caboclo trade, we can bring on a player on the vet minimum without triggering the luxury tax.
    3. We have a trade exception from the Carroll trade which we will have just under two weeks to use at the start of July.
    4. Fred Van Vleet is a restricted free agent, meaning we can match offer sheets for him if the price is right.
    5. We will be able to use the mid-level exception next year.
    6. Despite the flexibility we have due to the combination of items 3, 4, and 5, taking full advantage of even two of these opportunities will be EXPENSIVE. Unless there is a pretty major opportunity that presents itself to us, it is unlikely we take advantage of more than one of these options without making a trade to clear salary (if that's even possible in the current salary environment).

    My thanks to those more knowledgeable than I am, whose knowledge stated elsewhere I am relying on for this.
    Unfortunately, the full MLE initiates a hard cap, and since we will be over that line in all likelihood, we will likely be restricted to the tax-payer's MLE, which is just over half as valuable ($5.3M or so, only 3 seasons, not 4) as the full MLE.

    We have a trade exception from the Carroll trade (11.8M) that is good until July 13th this summer. We also have a Cory Joseph exception (originally worth 7.63M) which expires one day later. I believe the Raptors used part of that CoJo exception in the Bruno trade, so now it is only worth 6.125M, and they created a new 2.45M exception that expires on the 8th of February next season.

    Yes, the Raptors are currently lined up with the current roster, letting all FA's walk, and filling out the 14 roster spots with minimum salaries, to have a total team salary of 131M, which comes with a tax bill of 15M, making for a total roster cost of 146M. If, for example, FVV gets a full MLE offer and the Raptors match that offer, those numbers would increase to 138M, 33M in tax, and a total bill of 171M. So FVV at the MLE costs the team 25M. Similarly, a tax-MLE signing (5.3M) would actually cost the team 14M.

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    Holy shit this is awesome:

    http://www.shamsports.com/capulator

    I'll post it to one of the active threads too so people can see it.

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Holy shit this is awesome:

    http://www.shamsports.com/capulator

    I'll post it to one of the active threads too so people can see it.
    Yep. Deeks is still working on some bugs, but it's already obviously infinitely better than the ESPN trade machine, and is capable of way more.

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    FYI:

    https://www.raptorshq.com/2018/5/11/...p-sheet-review

    Current Salary Picture
    Kyle Lowry $28,703,704
    DeMar DeRozan $27,739,975
    Serge Ibaka $20,061,729
    Jonas Valanciunas $15,460,675
    C.J. Miles $7,936,508
    Lucas Nogueira $2,947,305
    Jakob Poeltl $2,825,640
    Delon Wright $1,645,200
    OG Anunoby $1,645,200
    Malachi Richardson $1,504,560
    Norman Powell $1,471,382
    Alfonzo McKinnie $1,471,382
    Fred VanVleet $1,471,382
    Pascal Siakam $1,312,611
    Justin Hamilton $1,000,000
    Nigel Hayes $166,258
    K.J. McDaniels $100,000
    Lorenzo Brown $8,313

    The values are shown as they apply to the tax calculation (which uses slightly different values for some minimum salaries). In addition, Kyle Lowry (assuming he is not selected to the All-NBA or All-Defense teams) only achieved one of his salary bonuses, the All-Star bonus worth roughly $200,000, so the team’s total salary obligation for tax purposes is $117.6 million. That’s $1.66 million shy of the tax threshold.

    The tax is calculated on the last day of the regular season, so there is no downside to making trades to move above that tax threshold now that the season is over. But the team is still hard capped until July 1st rolls around. Keep in mind that the hard cap rules mean that Lowry’s incentives still count for that calculation even though we know they won’t be fulfilled, so the team salary counts as $119.7 million, with the hard cap set at $125.3 million, meaning the Raptors have about $5.5 million in trade flexibility prior to July 1st.
    2018-19 Salary Picture
    Kyle Lowry $31,200,000
    DeMar DeRozan $27,739,975
    Serge Ibaka $21,666,666
    Jonas Valanciunas $16,539,326
    Norman Powell $9,367,200
    C.J. Miles $8,333,333
    Jakob Poeltl $2,947,320
    Delon Wright $2,536,898
    OG Anunoby $1,952,760
    Malachi Richardson $1,569,360
    Pascal Siakam $1,544,951
    Alfonzo McKinnie $1,499,698
    Justin Hamilton $1,000,000

    The values here, just as above, are shown as they apply to the tax calculation, as the team is in no danger of having any cap room, and the tax line is more relevant to this coming year.

    Lowry’s base salary of $31 million is increased by his roughly $200,000 All-Star incentive, as it becomes “likely” with him having achieved it this year. We may or may not get more accurate information on his incentives in coming months.

    In all, the team has 12 players signed to a total of $127.9 million. The tax line next season is projected at $123 million. Which means the team is currently projected to be at least $7.9 million above the tax line (as they need to sign at least two minimum salary deals to hit the roster minimum of 14 players).
    Much more detail at the link if interested.

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    Powell killing us... as is Ibaka...as is Demar... as is kyle.

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