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    Sucks for Norm.

    But I think this benefits the Raptors with a tighter wing rotation. Hopefully Wright can stay on the court.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Sucks for Norm.

    But I think this benefits the Raptors with a tighter wing rotation. Hopefully Wright can stay on the court.
    You mean you hope Wright stays healthy?

    Otherwise he should see his minutes go up. Maybe even more so if Miles keeps playing like a giant pile of crap and has his minutes cut down.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    You mean you hope Wright stays healthy?

    Otherwise he should see his minutes go up. Maybe even more so if Miles keeps playing like a giant pile of crap and has his minutes cut down.

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    Ya, I didn't mean to be so ambiguous, lol. I meant if Wright can stay healthy (as in stay off the IL)

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Sucks for Norm.

    But I think this benefits the Raptors with a tighter wing rotation. Hopefully Wright can stay on the court.
    CJ Miles has continued to be beyond horrific.

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    Quote DerozansSpurs wrote: View Post

    T rex told me his season is over
    It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    T rex told me his season is over
    I'm pretty surprised he won't end up missing to much time. when it first happened on court it looked bad

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    Don't miss him tbh sorry Norm. Honestly this team has a couple guys too many, Norm, CJ, etc at the end of the rotation will never get in rhythm. I know Nurse has this Swiss army knife vision but guys need regular burn and time to develop chemistry within the rotations. I'm pretty skeptical about yoinking 10-11 guys around all season long and having it work for all of them.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    Don't miss him tbh sorry Norm. Honestly this team has a couple guys too many, Norm, CJ, etc at the end of the rotation will never get in rhythm. I know Nurse has this Swiss army knife vision but guys need regular burn and time to develop chemistry within the rotations. I'm pretty skeptical about yoinking 10-11 guys around all season long and having it work for all of them.
    Agreed 100%. Miles and Norm don't need to be part of the rotation (aside from injury fill-ins). And the team will be better off because of it.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    Don't miss him tbh sorry Norm. Honestly this team has a couple guys too many, Norm, CJ, etc at the end of the rotation will never get in rhythm. I know Nurse has this Swiss army knife vision but guys need regular burn and time to develop chemistry within the rotations. I'm pretty skeptical about yoinking 10-11 guys around all season long and having it work for all of them.
    Powell is one of three guys on this team who can drive to the rim quickly and easily. (The other two are Siakam and Leonard.)

    We could sure use his slashing ability, since VanVleet/Wright/Anunoby aren't serious driving threats that defenses will happily collapse on. Without Siakam, our bench has been stagnant offensively, whether JV or Ibaka is playing with the bench.

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    We keeping Norm!! and I don't want to hear anything about it!


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    I'll take CJ over Norm because his shooting will come around and he's a smarter player.

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    Quote Beneperez wrote: View Post
    It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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    Great to have Norm back.

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    Great to have Norm back.
    I told everyone here that Powell was actually good, and that if the Raptors stopped using him as a shooter (he's not that good of a shooter) and started using him as a slasher, then he would stop looking so goddamn awful and start looking great. I also said that the Raptors would need his abilities this season.

    https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2019...norman-powell/

    Yet Powell has not only been a positive, but heís been needed since his return from injury. The bench has required his creation, and heís remained efficient despite playing the majority of his minutes alongside Torontoís D-team. The film shows discrete improvements that numbers fail to capture. The outline is there of a useful player who will stick in the league long-term.

    Powell has been miscast for some time. He just isnít a 3-D wing. On offence, he doesnít move well enough without the ball Ė or shoot well enough Ė to fit that mold. He prefers to catch the ball, pull it out a few feet behind the arc, and attack a stationary defence. That has destroyed the teamís offence in past years, especially when he played alongside a starting lineup last year that didnít need another shot creator. His current role playing within an offence-starved bench unit is perfect, especially now that he seems to have excised poor decisions from his game.
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    The increase in minutes at shooting guard (sans DeRozan) has greatly expanded Normís role in the bench offense. Heís seen himself become a secondary ball-handler ó a role in which he has, so far, excelled in. Itís resulted in ó almost counter-intuitively ó a decrease in turnovers and an increase in successful drive-and-kicks thanks to his ability to draw post defenders to his drives ó which has become one of his biggest strengths thanks to his size.
    In being able to watch the bench fail to create offense on a nightly basis, aside from the occasional blistering scoring performance from Jonas Valanciunas (before the injury) or Fred VanVleet (and with Delon Wright still struggling to find an ounce of scoring consistency for most of the teamís first two months), Powell was able to identify the holes in the bench offense and adjust his game accordingly upon his return to help bolster shot creation in the second unit.

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    Quote DerozansSpurs wrote: View Post
    I told everyone here that Powell was actually good, and that if the Raptors stopped using him as a shooter (he's not that good of a shooter) and started using him as a slasher, then he would stop looking so goddamn awful and start looking great. I also said that the Raptors would need his abilities this season.

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    https://www.raptorshq.com/2018/12/30...ors-bench-unit
    He's playing basically the same role he has all season. He's just not being an idiot right now, and most importantly he's hitting his shots. He's taken 49% of his attempts as threes this season. In his top 5 production games (by bball-ref's game score), three of which have come in this latest stretch since he returned from injury, that number is 46%. In the top two, again both coming in this latest stretch, it's 42%. If his full season 3PAr was 42% instead of 49%, he'd slide from 8th on the team in 3PAr to 9th. It's not a role thing at all. It's a Norm deciding to suck less thing.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    He's playing basically the same role he has all season. He's just not being an idiot right now, and most importantly he's hitting his shots. He's taken 49% of his attempts as threes this season. In his top 5 production games (by bball-ref's game score), three of which have come in this latest stretch since he returned from injury, that number is 46%. In the top two, again both coming in this latest stretch, it's 42%. If his full season 3PAr was 42% instead of 49%, he'd slide from 8th on the team in 3PAr to 9th. It's not a role thing at all. It's a Norm deciding to suck less thing.
    Actually, I think Derozan-Spurs is on to something. Everybody was talking about Powell being best utilized as a 3&D wing, but that's not his game. He's a slasher, but he needed to sharpen up a few skills to be more than a straight line driver: (1) overall improved handle, (2) hesitation dribble (3) counter moves, (4) better BBIQ.

    He's visibly improved in the first 3 skill areas and Norm mentioned that he's also been working with Phil Handy on the BBIQ part, breaking down film, etc.... Handy is really good at what he does and it looks like that injury downtime was a blessing. Powell's overall craftiness and ability to change speeds looks like it's taken a step forward.

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    Actually, I think Derozan-Spurs is on to something. Everybody was talking about Powell being best utilized as a 3&D wing, but that's not his game. He's a slasher, but he needed to sharpen up a few skills to be more than a straight line driver: (1) overall improved handle, (2) hesitation dribble (3) counter moves, (4) better BBIQ.

    He's visibly improved in the first 3 skill areas and Norm mentioned that he's also been working with Phil Handy on the BBIQ part, breaking down film, etc.... Handy is really good at what he does and it looks like that injury downtime was a blessing. Powell's overall craftiness and ability to change speeds looks like it's taken a step forward.
    No one has argued against skill development for Norm. The argument is a role change, which is not what has happened here. He's still mostly being used as a floor spacer with occasional slashing/creation, as he should be to fit within this roster. He doesn't have the creation chops to be a primary creator even with the bench - he could be fine in a secondary/tertiary role alongside Wright, FVV, and Siakam. But that still puts his primary role as off ball spot up shooter.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    No one has argued against skill development for Norm. The argument is a role change, which is not what has happened here. He's still mostly being used as a floor spacer with occasional slashing/creation, as he should be to fit within this roster. He doesn't have the creation chops to be a primary creator even with the bench - he could be fine in a secondary/tertiary role alongside Wright, FVV, and Siakam. But that still puts his primary role as off ball spot up shooter.
    That's where I think you keep missing the point of what Nurse appears to be trying to do here. Even obvious 'floor spacers' like OG and Serge (wtf) are being allowed to dribble drive and create their own shot. Nurse is giving every player a much higher degree of freedom than Casey's role cards ever did. He's allowing his players to use regular season games to practice their full skill set to see what is going to work in the playoffs. And sometimes it looks like shite. FVV is the other obvious example. Norm may be lining up initially as a floor spacer, but he's finding success back to his natural slashing mentality with an improved skill set and he's being allowed to drive and kick. Nurse's roles aren't as etched in stone as you're making them sound... you've probably got used to watching Casey coach for too long.

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