The legacy league was created to pit teams drafted by fellow RR members against each other and allow the general RR populous to vote on who would win this winner take all, single elimination game if all players were at their peak performance.
Each team drafted an 8 man roster. Each team provided a gameplan justification as to why they believe they should get your vote. Each team is allowed 1 post for "in game adjustments." The role of RR community is simple, vote for who you believe should win. Post justification if you want (encouraged) and weigh the pros and cons for all to see, but ultimately, your vote decides who will win this tournament of legends.
Match-up #2
DanH starters
PG - Joe Dumars - 4x All-Defensive 1st team
SG - Clyde "The Glide" Drexler - 10x allstar, retired with 20.4 PPG
SF - Scottie Pippen - 8x All-Defensive 1st team
PF - Dennis Rodman - 2x Defensive Player of the Year, 7x All-Defensive 1st team
C - David Robinson - 4x All-Defensive 1st team
Bench - Marc Gasol - 2013 Defensive Player of the Year
Bench - Andre Iguodala - 2014 All-Defensive 1st team
Bench - John Wall - 2015 All-Defensive 2nd team
planetmars Starters:
C - Robert Parish - 4x Champion, 9x all star
PF - Charles Barkley - '93 MVP, career 22PPG and 11.7 RPG
SF - Lebron James - 4x MVP, 5x All-Defensive 1st team
SG - Bruce Bowen - 5x All-Defensive 1st team, 3x All-Defensive 2nd team
PG - Chris Paul - 5x All-Defensive 1st team, 4x NBA leader in assists, 6x NBA leader in steals
Bench
Ben Wallace - 4x Defensive Player of the Year
James Harden - 2x All-NBA first team
Bernard King - '85 scoring leader, 2x All-NBA first team
DanH Game plan
Stop 'em dead, rebound, run it down their throats. In the half court, I've got one of the premiere C scorers of all time, posting usage rates over 30%, PER's over 30, and topping out at 29.8 points per game, who is also a tremendous passer, putting up assist rates from 15-20% in his prime. Pack the paint, and you've got Joe Dumars (38% career) and Scottie Pippen (35%+ in his peak) hitting open threes. Get back out, and Clyde the Glide goes to work, diving into the teeth of your defence and if any of them miss - well, I didn't pick the Worm by mistake (a 21% offensive rebound rate by himself - add in the rest of the starters and we expect to get back a full 57% (!) of our missed shots). Throw in a bench of a PG who is too fast for practically every player in this tourney, one of the best defensive and passing (and shooting) bigs in the game today, and an elite do-everything defensive wing, and I think we'll be OK.
Planetmars has a nice team, but it just doesn't stack up - he's got offensive players, and defensive players, but few all around players. The holes in his defence are gaping - James Harden? - and his defensive subs are largely useless offensively (Wallace, Bowen). Meanwhile, his offensive talents are going to get eaten alive - you think LBJ will enjoy a full game of getting defended by a rotation of Pippen, Rodman and Iggy (combined 20x all-defence) all with fresh legs - or that Paul is going to have fun being hounded by Joe Dumars (5x all-defence), or that Barkley is going to be having his way with Dennis Rodman or Marc Gasol? All with the Admiral standing waiting at the rim - DPOY, 8 time all-defence, 5th in NBA history in total blocks. And who on that team is playing without the ball - everyone who can score needs the ball in their hands.
planetmars Gameplan
DanH's team is built on defense but other than Robinson/Gasol, Drexler and Wall the rest of the team aren`t really known for their scoring. The key to winning would be to make it difficult for his scorers from getting easy looks. I'd front David Robinson (or Marc Gasol) with Parish and use one of Barkley or Wallace on an occasional double team to make it difficult for them to operate in the paint, while using a combination of LBJ, Bowen and King on Drexler, Pippen and Iggy, giving each player different looks. Paul and Harden will cover the point guards (Paul on Wall and Harden on Dumars would be the preferred scenarios). Would prefer to leave Rodman open on offense as he`s only really proficient on the defensive side.
Offense will be more of a perimeter based system with LBJ and Paul being the main facilitators (and Harden coming off the bench to relieve Paul). Parish is very good at setting screens and can get guys like Paul, Harden and King easy looks on offense, separating themselves from whoever is guarding them. If Pippen or Iggy end up covering LBJ, we'll get him to use his size to back them down into the paint waiting for a double team from Rodman, Gasol or Robinson and then swing the ball across to the far weak side for an open 3 from either Bowen, Paul or Harden depending on who gets there and who is playing. LBJ is dominant in isolation so we`ll let him get his while Barkley, Wallace or Parish look for any opportunity to grab an offensive rebound or a put back dunk. There is also an opportunity to go small with Wallace at the 5, LBJ at the 4, Bowen at the 3, Harden at the 2 and Paul at the 1 which gives Planetmars 4 guys that can shoot the 3 forcing guys like Rodman or Gasol (if DanH decides to play both Gasol and Robinson together) guarding the perimeter while the post man is wasting away at the paint battling a proficient offensive rebounder in Ben Wallace for loose boards.
In Game Adjustments -
DanH adjustment
I think people are underestimating the Glide in terms of his offensive capability (27 PPG scorer in his prime, 9 OWS, +6 OBPM). I think people are underestimating my non-PG's as playmakers (Robinson 20% AST%, Dumars 25%, Pippen 25%, Worm 10%, Drexler 30% - Drexler and Robinson would be my primary options initiating offence) - I've got a LOT of playmaking from every position, plus the extraordinary undervaluing of Wall, who posted a 46% AST rate last year, also known as Chris Paul's career average. It's true that I have a tremendous offensive rebounding team - but I'm not lacking for offensive talent. Besides the playmaking stats that I posted, my 5 starters have career peak scoring averages of 27.2 PPG, 23.5 PPG, 29.8 PPG, 22.0 PPG and 11.6 PPG (total of 114.1), while planetmars' 5 starters have peak scoring averages of 19.9 PPG, 31.4 PPG, 28.3 PPG, 8.2 PPG and 22.8 PPG (total of 110.6) - I'm not seeing the discrepancy others are.
So RR faithful, who wins this game?
Each team drafted an 8 man roster. Each team provided a gameplan justification as to why they believe they should get your vote. Each team is allowed 1 post for "in game adjustments." The role of RR community is simple, vote for who you believe should win. Post justification if you want (encouraged) and weigh the pros and cons for all to see, but ultimately, your vote decides who will win this tournament of legends.
Match-up #2
DanH starters
PG - Joe Dumars - 4x All-Defensive 1st team
SG - Clyde "The Glide" Drexler - 10x allstar, retired with 20.4 PPG
SF - Scottie Pippen - 8x All-Defensive 1st team
PF - Dennis Rodman - 2x Defensive Player of the Year, 7x All-Defensive 1st team
C - David Robinson - 4x All-Defensive 1st team
Bench - Marc Gasol - 2013 Defensive Player of the Year
Bench - Andre Iguodala - 2014 All-Defensive 1st team
Bench - John Wall - 2015 All-Defensive 2nd team
planetmars Starters:
C - Robert Parish - 4x Champion, 9x all star
PF - Charles Barkley - '93 MVP, career 22PPG and 11.7 RPG
SF - Lebron James - 4x MVP, 5x All-Defensive 1st team
SG - Bruce Bowen - 5x All-Defensive 1st team, 3x All-Defensive 2nd team
PG - Chris Paul - 5x All-Defensive 1st team, 4x NBA leader in assists, 6x NBA leader in steals
Bench
Ben Wallace - 4x Defensive Player of the Year
James Harden - 2x All-NBA first team
Bernard King - '85 scoring leader, 2x All-NBA first team
DanH Game plan
Stop 'em dead, rebound, run it down their throats. In the half court, I've got one of the premiere C scorers of all time, posting usage rates over 30%, PER's over 30, and topping out at 29.8 points per game, who is also a tremendous passer, putting up assist rates from 15-20% in his prime. Pack the paint, and you've got Joe Dumars (38% career) and Scottie Pippen (35%+ in his peak) hitting open threes. Get back out, and Clyde the Glide goes to work, diving into the teeth of your defence and if any of them miss - well, I didn't pick the Worm by mistake (a 21% offensive rebound rate by himself - add in the rest of the starters and we expect to get back a full 57% (!) of our missed shots). Throw in a bench of a PG who is too fast for practically every player in this tourney, one of the best defensive and passing (and shooting) bigs in the game today, and an elite do-everything defensive wing, and I think we'll be OK.
Planetmars has a nice team, but it just doesn't stack up - he's got offensive players, and defensive players, but few all around players. The holes in his defence are gaping - James Harden? - and his defensive subs are largely useless offensively (Wallace, Bowen). Meanwhile, his offensive talents are going to get eaten alive - you think LBJ will enjoy a full game of getting defended by a rotation of Pippen, Rodman and Iggy (combined 20x all-defence) all with fresh legs - or that Paul is going to have fun being hounded by Joe Dumars (5x all-defence), or that Barkley is going to be having his way with Dennis Rodman or Marc Gasol? All with the Admiral standing waiting at the rim - DPOY, 8 time all-defence, 5th in NBA history in total blocks. And who on that team is playing without the ball - everyone who can score needs the ball in their hands.
planetmars Gameplan
DanH's team is built on defense but other than Robinson/Gasol, Drexler and Wall the rest of the team aren`t really known for their scoring. The key to winning would be to make it difficult for his scorers from getting easy looks. I'd front David Robinson (or Marc Gasol) with Parish and use one of Barkley or Wallace on an occasional double team to make it difficult for them to operate in the paint, while using a combination of LBJ, Bowen and King on Drexler, Pippen and Iggy, giving each player different looks. Paul and Harden will cover the point guards (Paul on Wall and Harden on Dumars would be the preferred scenarios). Would prefer to leave Rodman open on offense as he`s only really proficient on the defensive side.
Offense will be more of a perimeter based system with LBJ and Paul being the main facilitators (and Harden coming off the bench to relieve Paul). Parish is very good at setting screens and can get guys like Paul, Harden and King easy looks on offense, separating themselves from whoever is guarding them. If Pippen or Iggy end up covering LBJ, we'll get him to use his size to back them down into the paint waiting for a double team from Rodman, Gasol or Robinson and then swing the ball across to the far weak side for an open 3 from either Bowen, Paul or Harden depending on who gets there and who is playing. LBJ is dominant in isolation so we`ll let him get his while Barkley, Wallace or Parish look for any opportunity to grab an offensive rebound or a put back dunk. There is also an opportunity to go small with Wallace at the 5, LBJ at the 4, Bowen at the 3, Harden at the 2 and Paul at the 1 which gives Planetmars 4 guys that can shoot the 3 forcing guys like Rodman or Gasol (if DanH decides to play both Gasol and Robinson together) guarding the perimeter while the post man is wasting away at the paint battling a proficient offensive rebounder in Ben Wallace for loose boards.
In Game Adjustments -
DanH adjustment
I think people are underestimating the Glide in terms of his offensive capability (27 PPG scorer in his prime, 9 OWS, +6 OBPM). I think people are underestimating my non-PG's as playmakers (Robinson 20% AST%, Dumars 25%, Pippen 25%, Worm 10%, Drexler 30% - Drexler and Robinson would be my primary options initiating offence) - I've got a LOT of playmaking from every position, plus the extraordinary undervaluing of Wall, who posted a 46% AST rate last year, also known as Chris Paul's career average. It's true that I have a tremendous offensive rebounding team - but I'm not lacking for offensive talent. Besides the playmaking stats that I posted, my 5 starters have career peak scoring averages of 27.2 PPG, 23.5 PPG, 29.8 PPG, 22.0 PPG and 11.6 PPG (total of 114.1), while planetmars' 5 starters have peak scoring averages of 19.9 PPG, 31.4 PPG, 28.3 PPG, 8.2 PPG and 22.8 PPG (total of 110.6) - I'm not seeing the discrepancy others are.
So RR faithful, who wins this game?
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