It's going to come down to VanVleet or Wright. VanVleet is probably at or near his ceiling. Wright may never reach his ceiling. What will Masai do?
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I don't have anything else to say. I'm just dumbfounded that all this time, people are still underestimating this guy. VV is what makes the 2nd unit go. The leader of that group. The greatest bench in Raptors history. Take him out and this bench would struggle. We saw it when he was out a month ago.Mamba Mentality
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I don't think you can just replace FVV with a replacement level PG. There is something to be said about chemistry. He's also pretty intelligent from what I can see. I mean we had CoJo last couple of years, and FVV has made a far bigger impact in this one year than CoJo ever had.
I'd trade CJ for cap relief to keep FVV if we had to and I love CJ.
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Sonny wrote: View PostSo basically any PG.
You think Joseph or Wright can do what VanVleet is doing for this team right now?
Are people forgetting where FVV himself came from? I love Freddy, but backup PG is most available position on the FA or trade market.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostIt's going to come down to VanVleet or Wright. VanVleet is probably at or near his ceiling. Wright may never reach his ceiling. What will Masai do?Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostIt's not coming down to Wright and VanVleet. It's Powell or VanVleet. We're paying too much money for 11th man
It's going to come down to who our long term back-up PG is going to be.
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veda-parabolist wrote: View PostI don't blame Masai at all for signing Norm as he did, as he was pretty much our best player in our only winning playoff series in 2017, against the Bucks, and was also good in the 2016 playoffs. It seems like nobody could have predicted his precipitous decline (though he is playing a bit better again the last couple of games!). I kind of feel like his value has bottomed out due to his play this season, but who knows for sure. Hopefully he keeps picking it up and once again becomes a valuable player/piece.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostYeah, but that 11th man already has a new contract that looks like it won't be movable this summer, and can guard 3 positions.
It's going to come down to who our long term back-up PG is going to be.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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TRex wrote: View PostI don't think people realizes how crucial VV is to this team's success. He's easily replaceable? i can't believe that all this time people are still underrating this guy lol. He's a MASSIVE upgrade over Joseph. He's way better PG than Wright. And come on Tyler Ennis?
VV plays a mature game. Controls the game like a veteran PG. He's a good defender. He's a big time clutch performer. You know you're a hell of a player when Chris Paul praises you.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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planetmars wrote: View PostIf Masai had to give up the 28th pick in the draft next year to get rid of Powell would you guys do it? I don't think a team will take on Powell's contract without asking for that pick as well.Last edited by golden; Mon Mar 12, 2018, 12:56 PM.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostYeah, but that 11th man already has a new contract that looks like it won't be movable this summer, and can guard 3 positions.
It's going to come down to who our long term back-up PG is going to be.
So there is ONE season where the Wright/FVV overlap in new contracts will come when the tax is a concern (and it will be a huge concern), in 2019-20. But that's not a worry for this summer. This summer the question is whether they want to pay the tax that goes along with having both Powell and FVV on the roster, or would prefer to pay the asset cost to remove Powell (and there may not actually be one, who's to say?) to keep FVV, or would prefer to simply let FVV walk.
The following summer will be very interesting, with a massive tax bill lined up, especially if Wright gets a raise. But so much of that depends on what happens this summer that it's hard to project out that far. For now, all we can say with confidence is that the decision on FVV has basically nothing to do with Wright this summer, except insofar as the team thinks Wright makes FVV expendable.
For my part, I think anyone who thinks FVV makes Wright expendable, or Wright makes FVV expendable, hasn't been paying attention. It's true, the all-bench unit falls apart when you remove FVV (and filter out minutes with KL/DD). But it's also true that if you leave FVV in there, and remove Wright... it still falls apart. Both lineups (in small-ish samples) have significantly negative net ratings, which is a far cry from the >+20 net rating the all bench unit has when the two PG's play together.
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DanH wrote: View PostLong term backup PG? This window with Lowry is only for a couple more seasons, and for one of them (next year) Wright is still on a dirt cheap rookie deal. Money's not a big concern after the KL/DD/SI/JV deals expire.
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A lot of this off-season debate is getting snagged on what people think Powell's value is. I personally think he still has positive value. Some think we need to attach another pick.
I would puke if mlse dealt another first to duck the tax. Either pay both fred and norm, or deal norm from a position of strength. Or carry all 3 young guys(delon too) onto the season and deal one when the opportunity presents.
But ya gotta keep fred, and ya gotta not add sweeteners to shed salary. We're playing with the big boys now. Just my 2 cents.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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