Everything Jakob Poeltl

[DanH]

Here's a list of his assists if you want to peruse the highlights/boxscores. The CHA/Carroll one is in there.

http://stats.nba.com/events/#!/?flag...=team&sct=plot

[Shaolin Fantastic]

Really think he'd be a better fit at center with the starting 5 than JV. Better defensively, better passer. The bench could use JV's offense more.

[KeonClark]

Really think he'd be a better fit at center with the starting 5 than JV. Better defensively, better passer. The bench could use JV's offense more.

I kind of tend to agree, Poeltl gets the first 6 minutes of each half and spot minutes later, makes it easier to keep it to MOSTLY a 3 man rotation in the front court with some small ball (though you know that Siakam will find his way in)...especially because I'd rather have Powell start, making JV's bench offense even more important. I suspect our bench is going to have some games with serious growing pains this season. Need a veteran to go to for buckets.

[Deems]

Call me crazy but offensively he's like a young Marc Gasol. I'm very excited for him

[Shaolin Fantastic]

I kind of tend to agree, Poeltl gets the first 6 minutes of each half and spot minutes later, makes it easier to keep it to MOSTLY a 3 man rotation in the front court with some small ball (though you know that Siakam will find his way in)...especially because I'd rather have Powell start, making JV's bench offense even more important. I suspect our bench is going to have some games with serious growing pains this season. Need a veteran to go to for buckets.

Exactly. And I think it'd be a lot better for Wright/Powell's development if they're running P&R with JV off the bench, who is already experienced in it and a very good finisher.

[S.R.]

I'd like to see Poeltl getting minutes with the team's best players, but I don't put much stock into who actually starts the games. Golden State has helped establish a pretty common practice where your starting 5 is not necessarily your best 5 and is usually not your closing 5.

A lot of teams start their biggest C, JV is still going to match up to those guys better than a young Poeltl. Like the Raptors, a lot of teams go away from that guy as the game goes on, and other forwards are likely to end up with more minutes at the 5 than JV in a given game anyway, but that's more likely to be Ibaka than Poeltl at this point. Poeltl just needs more minutes and a bigger role than last year, but he's young and needs to get in-game reps. He's just coming off his rookie season, there's lots of time.

[DanH]

I'm interested in the perception that Poeltl is a significantly better passer than JV.

Like, it's basically impossible for a big man to get assists in this system anyway, but consider this:

JV: 19.5 USG%, 4.4 AST%, 4.4 USG/AST
JP: 12.1 USG%, 2.7 AST%, 4.5 USG/AST

Just something I stumbled on looking at Poeltl's numbers (which based on sentiment was expecting to be very different) while searching for that pass to Carroll in the corner.

[MixxAOR]

I'm interested in the perception that Poeltl is a significantly better passer than JV.

Like, it's basically impossible for a big man to get assists in this system anyway, but consider this:

JV: 19.5 USG%, 4.4 AST%, 4.4 USG/AST
JP: 12.1 USG%, 2.7 AST%, 4.5 USG/AST

Just something I stumbled on looking at Poeltl's numbers (which based on sentiment was expecting to be very different) while searching for that pass to Carroll in the corner.

Dan I have no idea how to interpret those stats

[DanH]

Dan I have no idea how to interpret those stats

Sorry, USG% is usage rate, a measure of how many plays a player finishes, and used as an estimate of how involved a player is in the offence (with the exception of PG's, who typically have disproportionate assist rates).

AST% is the percent of the field goals scored while the player is on the court that are assisted by them.

I took a simple ratio of the two (how much the player is used in general, versus how much they generate assists) to normalize the numbers relative to each other, as you'd kind of expect a guy who gets the ball more to generate more assists, right?

I was just showing that the amount of possessions Poeltl needs to use to generate an assist is basically identical to the amount JV uses to generate an assist. I was surprised by that, is all.

[Chr1s1anL]

You don't need stats to tell you that Yak has a better feel for the game than JV. You can just tell by watching them play.

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[KHD]

Sorry, USG% is usage rate, a measure of how many plays a player finishes, and used as an estimate of how involved a player is in the offence (with the exception of PG's, who typically have disproportionate assist rates).

AST% is the percent of the field goals scored while the player is on the court that are assisted by them.

I took a simple ratio of the two (how much the player is used in general, versus how much they generate assists) to normalize the numbers relative to each other, as you'd kind of expect a guy who gets the ball more to generate more assists, right?

I was just showing that the amount of possessions Poeltl needs to use to generate an assist is basically identical to the amount JV uses to generate an assist. I was surprised by that, is all.

i had originally interpreted it as them being 4.5x as likely to end a posession as to record an assist, but i am now realizing that wasn't correct.

[DanH]

i had originally interpreted it as them being 4.5x as likely to end a posession as to record an assist, but i am now realizing that wasn't correct.

No, that's a valid interpretation as well. Roughly, anyway. I wasn't really looking at it to judge that way, more to compare the two players, but I think that lines up with what I did.

[Quirk]

You don't need stats to tell you that Yak has a better feel for the game than JV. You can just tell by watching them play.

So True! You can easily be wrong about absolutely everything without ever using a single stat! When it comes to mindless conviction to wild unsubstantiated beliefs, stats are absolutely useless!! Nobody has done more to prove this true fact than Chr1s1anL

However, if you are interested to see if your impressions hold up to actual facts, stats can sometimes be helpful.

[S.R.]

So True! You can easily be wrong about absolutely everything without ever using a single stat! When it comes to mindless conviction to wild unsubstantiated beliefs, stats are absolutely useless!! Nobody has done more to prove this true fact than Chr1s1anL

However, if you are interested to see if your impressions hold up to actual facts, stats can sometimes be helpful.

There's a deep metaphorical connection between your comment and your avatar, but I can't quite put it into words.

[Chr1s1anL]

So True! You can easily be wrong about absolutely everything without ever using a single stat! When it comes to mindless conviction to wild unsubstantiated beliefs, stats are absolutely useless!! Nobody has done more to prove this true fact than Chr1s1anL

However, if you are interested to see if your impressions hold up to actual facts, stats can sometimes be helpful.

If you look deep enough. You can find a stat to fit any narritive. Eye test is still the best way to judge a player.

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