Everything 2018 Off Season

[golden]

Robinson was past his prime in 99.

Robinson was still good for 20/10, but they played him less minutes IIRC. But tbh, I don't know how legit that '99 championship was. It was the strike shortened season.

Spurs beat the Knicks in the Finals, lead by Camby and Sprewell, lol. In the West, the toughest team they faced was the Lakers, but Kobe was still only in his second year and barely out of high school. They beat the Blazers, whose best player was Damon Stoudamire, lol.

[KeonClark]

Still good but not the same David Robinson. Robinson at his best was a perennial 25/10 player.

Tim Duncan was already the best player on the Spurs in 99 and it's not close.

Hey I'm not arguing tim Duncan is great. He is more than great. I'm just saying you can't dump on teams 2nd and 3rd best players for titles, because they've all needed the support guys. MJ included.

[DanH]

Still good but not the same David Robinson. Robinson at his best was a perennial 25/10 player.

Tim Duncan was already the best player on the Spurs in 99 and it's not close.

David Robinson had a higher PER, WS/48 and BPM than Duncan, by a significant margin in the latter two, in the 98-99 season.

He was certainly not as good as he once was. But he was still insanely good. And the best player on that team, even with Duncan taking the heavier minutes role and spotlight.

[The Great One]

Hey I'm not arguing tim Duncan is great. He is more than great. I'm just saying you can't dump on teams 2nd and 3rd best players for titles, because they've all needed the support guys. MJ included.

So do you think Parker and Ginobili are 1st ballot of famers?

[KeonClark]

So do you think Parker and Ginobili are 1st ballot of famers?

Put it this way: I don't think they should be first ballot, and in fact I dont even like that they get in at all. I believe hall of fame should be hard as hell to achieve, mlb is ridiculously elite to get in. But with the precedent the nba has set over the years? Then yes, absolutely they both should get in

[MixxAOR]

Put it this way: I don't think they should be first ballot, and in fact I dont even like that they get in at all. I believe hall of fame should be hard as hell to achieve, mlb is ridiculously elite to get in. But with the precedent the nba has set over the years? Then yes, absolutely they both should get in

if Yao Ming and T-Mac are HOF then it's travesty to not have Parker, Ginobili in it. It's also Basketball Hall of Fame not just NBA and Ginobili is arguably Top 5 international player of all time.

[The Great One]

Put it this way: I don't think they should be first ballot, and in fact I dont even like that they get in at all. I believe hall of fame should be hard as hell to achieve, mlb is ridiculously elite to get in. But with the precedent the nba has set over the years? Then yes, absolutely they both should get in

That's all i was saying lol. They're not hall of famers. But they'll likely get in as 1st ballot hof'ers bec they won multiple championships. They won multiple championships because of Tim Duncan

Jimmy Butler is better than both Ginobili and Parker. But Butler's chances of getting into the hof is pretty slim.

[The Great One]

if Yao Ming and T-Mac are HOF then it's travesty to not have Parker, Ginobili in it. It's also Basketball Hall of Fame not just NBA and Ginobili is arguably Top 5 international player of all time.

Yao Ming getting into the HOF was a travesty. Don't get me started on that one.

[Hotshot]

That's all i was saying lol. They're not hall of famers. But they'll likely get in as 1st ballot hof'ers bec they won multiple championships. They won multiple championships because of Tim Duncan

Jimmy Butler is better than both Ginobili and Parker. But Butler's chances of getting into the hof is pretty slim.

It depends how the next 4 years are going to go for Butler.

[GOLDBLUM]

That's all i was saying lol. They're not hall of famers. But they'll likely get in as 1st ballot hof'ers bec they won multiple championships. They won multiple championships because of Tim Duncan

Jimmy Butler is better than both Ginobili and Parker. But Butler's chances of getting into the hof is pretty slim.

All Keon was saying was, "Is Ginobili the best bench player of all time?"
Nothing about the hall. You spun it with your instant dismissal.

And I'd say the answer is yes.

Talking about Jimmy Buckets -- Jimmy never came off the bench.

[golden]

Still good but not the same David Robinson. Robinson at his best was a perennial 25/10 player.

Tim Duncan was already the best player on the Spurs in 99 and it's not close.

Not saying Duncan was better. But he had a better sidekick than anybody else for that playoff year. That's why he didn't need a top notch wing player. Gotta remember that was still in an era before 'superstars teaming up' crapped on the sanctity of the game.

[S.R.]

Don't forget it's the basketball hall of fame, not the NBA hall of fame. Ginobli also had a huge international presence and those Argentina teams made an impact. I think he should be 1st ballot.

[S.R.]

Yao Ming getting into the HOF was a travesty. Don't get me started on that one.

Nobody in China is saying this. Yao's impact on basketball for millions of people outside of North America was huge. The CBA has since emerged as a legitimate overseas alternative league not in Euorpe, which was unheard of before. Again, it's the basketball hall of fame.

[G__Deane]

How about those Blue Jays?

[KeonClark]

How about those Blue Jays?

From ALCS back to back to the worst team of my lifetime- thanks Shapiro/rogers!