Everything 2018 Off Season

[inthepaint]

Here's my takeaway from this circus:

1. Kawhi himself has no control over where plays next year, that's up to the Spurs. Anything else is noise.

2. Wherever he signs this year, he will have two choices:
(A) Start redeeming his value (which is plummeting by the week), by playing hard, as his former self, and make a real impact on whichever team he signs, and gets the best contract in free agency (this is his contract year)
(B) Destroy his career by pouting/moping around/sitting with the "injury", and risk going the route of Isaiah Thomas and Cousins or worse (Banged up fussy star with a bit of an attitude problem and locker room poison)

3. If he goes option (A) above and his team makes, say, an NBA finals, he will again have two choices:
(A) Re-sign with the team he took to the finals as the main player on that team, for a long and healthy Max deal, for a solid chance of a championship in the next coming years, as GSW and LBJ decline. (A dream scenario for 99.9% of the NBA players out there)
(B) Move to LA over hell and high water to keep his uncle happy, and either waste his prime years with the clippers, or go play second fiddle in the Lakers to Lebron (with a reality show with his uncle and Lavar Ball waiting to happen)

4. The only reason he can get away with this crap is that he's a top 5 player in the league. But even as such, he's value is incredibly deteriorated. There are no solid rumors of other team's competing offers anymore. Masai is most likely keeping that in mind.

[white men can't jump]

if that's all it takes then they should pull the trigger. I would move Jaylen Brown, 2 picks and a larger contract for Kawhi. Even if Kawhi leaves they still have the assets to be as much of a contender as anyone else in the league.

Boston doesn't have larger contracts that would make sense for them or the Spurs to want included in the deal.

Horford could have value, but if they trade him they have a pretty garbage bigs rotation. They can't afford to trade him without a starting big coming back (Pau is too old to satisfy that).

Hayward has zero value coming off his injury.

Irving was also injured and will 100% opt out after next season if he is healthy. He's the only piece San Antonio might accept as a big contract, but since he's a rental they would have to include Brown at the very least. Ainge isn't going to pay that price with the chance Kawhi walks.

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[Other Scott]

Jaylen Brown is movable, they have Tatum, and they could offer their picks for the next two years as they have Sacs and Memphis's next year. They are set up really well to make this trade

Anyone's movable, but there's not a lot of incentive to move Jaylen. Sure they have Tatum, but Jaylen + Tatum is a lot better than just Tatum if you're looking at the future.

[Primer]

So? A million media members thought thered be a kings ransom for George. Many more thought cousins was staying in new Orleans. More still thought love for klay would have been a great trade for golden state

What the media thinks (as In, "if i was toronto this is what I would do") means about as much as what you or i think

The reports at the time on PG were pretty much what the trade was for. The reports right now all have DD involved. To ignore that is pretty stupid.

[jimmie]

The reports at the time on PG were pretty much what the trade was for. The reports right now all have DD involved. To ignore that is pretty stupid.

No reports of what has been offered. Only stories about what reporters think it would take. Big difference.

[Primer]

No reports of what has been offered. Only stories about what reporters think it would take. Big difference.

And zero media members have floated a trade without DD. A trade without DD makes no sense for the Spurs and that's obvious to everyone but a few people in this forum.

[Primer]

Here's my takeaway from this circus:

1. Kawhi himself has no control over where plays next year, that's up to the Spurs. Anything else is noise.

2. Wherever he signs this year, he will have two choices:
(A) Start redeeming his value (which is plummeting by the week), by playing hard, as his former self, and make a real impact on whichever team he signs, and gets the best contract in free agency (this is his contract year)
(B) Destroy his career by pouting/moping around/sitting with the "injury", and risk going the route of Isaiah Thomas and Cousins or worse (Banged up fussy star with a bit of an attitude problem and locker room poison)

3. If he goes option (A) above and his team makes, say, an NBA finals, he will again have two choices:
(A) Re-sign with the team he took to the finals as the main player on that team, for a long and healthy Max deal, for a solid chance of a championship in the next coming years, as GSW and LBJ decline. (A dream scenario for 99.9% of the NBA players out there)
(B) Move to LA over hell and high water to keep his uncle happy, and either waste his prime years with the clippers, or go play second fiddle in the Lakers to Lebron (with a reality show with his uncle and Lavar Ball waiting to happen)

4. The only reason he can get away with this crap is that he's a top 5 player in the league. But even as such, he's value is incredibly deteriorated. There are no solid rumors of other team's competing offers anymore. Masai is most likely keeping that in mind.

He would lose $20M in salary and fines if he does option B. That's why he'll play for a year wherever he ends up, even if it's still with the Spurs.

[Barolt]

No reports of what has been offered. Only stories about what reporters think it would take. Big difference.

Windhorst did hint that people can figure out who is in the offer. Which pretty clearly says it's a DeMar trade to me.

[KeonClark]

And zero media members have floated a trade without DD. A trade without DD makes no sense for the Spurs and that's obvious to everyone but a few people in this forum.

Well, reports are that Boston, Philly, Washington, Portland, LAL are all refusing to offer an all star or a fringe all star. So what makes sense to the Spurs may not be what they get.

Kawhi has no say in the matter, but Uncle Dennis is torpedoing both the Spurs leverage and his nephews next contract. The only people that aren't getting screwed right now are the teams holding on to their assets and waiting patiently.

[jimmie]

And zero media members have floated a trade without DD. A trade without DD makes no sense for the Spurs and that's obvious to everyone but a few people in this forum.

I think you fail to grasp the position of weakness in which the Spurs currently live. This is not about what makes sense for SAS. Any outcome is better for them - literally any outcome - than keeping Leonard. Toronto is not desperate.

[Shaolin Fantastic]

The reports at the time on PG were pretty much what the trade was for. The reports right now all have DD involved. To ignore that is pretty stupid.

No they don't.

[Shaolin Fantastic]

I seriously hope no one in our FO is on board with offloading DeMar AND Anunoby for Leonard.

That's the kind of package you give up (maybe with a pick included) for Leonard if he was locked up for 4-5 years. Not for a year of him. Your two highest value assets for someone that San Antonio has to trade? Like what are we even talking about here?

We should be centering our package around one of them, not including both

[The Great One]

Brian Windhorst just joined us on @timandsid and I asked him how real this Kawhi/Toronto stuff is. His answer: "it's very real."

— Faizal Khamisa (@SNFaizalKhamisa) July 17, 2018

[Primer]

I think you fail to grasp the position of weakness in which the Spurs currently live. This is not about what makes sense for SAS. Any outcome is better for them - literally any outcome - than keeping Leonard. Toronto is not desperate.

The spurs would rather do nothing and not pay Kawhi for the season (assuming Kawhi refuses to play) than take on dog shit from someone else. That's the worst it gets for them, save $20M but get nothing in return.

If the Spurs position is weak then we have them send a 1st our way or make them take Norm or Ibaka. There is no deal for Kawhi with us that doesn't involve DD.

[Primer]

No they don't.

Show me one that doesn't?