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Sonny wrote: View PostI don't know how to post a video here, but I saw a video on RealGM where the ESPN panel(Beadle, Rose, Pierce and Billups) were discussing about why nobody's talking about the Raptors.
Billups responded that because nobody see them play. That is true, I don't think the Raptors have played a single game this year on ESPN or TNT. But if you really want to watch them play and if you're curious about them then you can always watch them play the League Pass right? I don't think these guys know a single Raptors players except for DeRozan and Lowry.
Second, I hate the fact that they talk about the Celtics like they're in the same level as the Cavs. The Raptors in my opinion are a better team than the Celtics.
Lastly, DeMar DeRozan in my opinion is one of the elite players in the NBA. But I don't think he gets the same kind of star recognition like the other star players do. The TV Networks controls everything. They hype up whoever they want to hype up like Lonzo Ball for example. But forget Lonzo for a minute, I think Kyle Kuzma is actually more popular in the States than DeRozan.
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JawsGT wrote: View PostThe raps aren't considered a threat to make the Finals, and rightfully so. Most of these guys on the networks don't even believe that the Celts can really challenge the Cavs, and rightfully so. Both the Celts and the Raps are gonna have to prove it in the playoffs that they are a serious threat to the Cavs. If the Raps do that, they will get more exposure in the US. Those networks cater to the American market, and Americans don't give a rats ass about the Raptors, and won't until they perceive the team as being a contender, a serious contender. Most bball fans south of the border wouldn't consider watching the Raps unless they are playing their team. Thats the limited exposure they are getting down south. And thats fine, as most teams in the league are in the same boat, outside of the few franchises that have far reaching fan bases, and we know who they are.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostOk they are not a threat in playoffs. But they are missing good basketball right now. Sucks for them.
I've been watching this league 20 years and it's still tough to wrap my head around how we can watch a best of 7 with 0 chance of winning and still continue to show interest9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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I have to think that that might have had a different feel without pierce on the panel. Even though he didn’t say anything until he said something he got wrong, he has the fairly recent experience of beating the raps two years in a row in the playoffs (both as lower seeds). Most of what the rest of the panel said was true. They don’t see us (no espn etc). Boston and Cleveland make a better narrative. They do. But I think this “they don’t see us” thing is gaining traction. It looks a little silly when the talking heads, paid by the network, say they don’t know about a significant team because the network doesn’t show them. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get added to a few more national games post all star break.
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TRex is right. Only way to gain respect is to show up in playoffs. The league should show more Raptors games nationally based on their record—Minnesota has had several Christmas Day appearances—on some level league should “force “ networks to take some of our games. Either our franchise is a part of the league or not—if based on their actions we are not truly considered part of the league we should disband our franchise.
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I think this team is better when they are shown as underdogs. It's part of Masai's DNA. A lot of scrappy hard working, under achieving guys that had to fight tooth and nail to get to where they are.
I'm kind of happy that they don't get recognized outside of Canada. And even in Canada they are an afterthought (well at least after hockey and baseball).
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How much national hockey coverage do the Winnipeg Jets get? That's a top 5 team in the NHL, they have two top 20 goal scorers (Leafs have one), they're Canadian, but Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver/Edmonton/Calgary all get national HNIC games ahead of them.
There's your answer. As far as US national basketball media is concerned, Toronto is Winnipeg."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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JawsGT wrote: View PostThe raps aren't considered a threat to make the Finals, and rightfully so. Most of these guys on the networks don't even believe that the Celts can really challenge the Cavs, and rightfully so. Both the Celts and the Raps are gonna have to prove it in the playoffs that they are a serious threat to the Cavs. If the Raps do that, they will get more exposure in the US. Those networks cater to the American market, and Americans don't give a rats ass about the Raptors, and won't until they perceive the team as being a contender, a serious contender. Most bball fans south of the border wouldn't consider watching the Raps unless they are playing their team. Thats the limited exposure they are getting down south. And thats fine, as most teams in the league are in the same boat, outside of the few franchises that have far reaching fan bases, and we know who they are.
Toronto has some unique challenges as the only Canadian team and I don't deny that but I also get tired of the woe is Toronto crap - the organization has finally stopped with it since Ujiri showed up and it's time for the fans to do the same.
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slaw wrote: View PostThat's a pretty key point that gets lost in Raptorland. The reality is that teams like Memphis (good for a long time), Atlanta (solid playoff team for a long time), etc. also got little to no love from the league and its tv partners. Even the Spurs were only grudgingly granted exposure (I'm old enough to remember all the hand wringing about them being in teh Finals driving down ratings) but I notice that we're seeing less and less of them the last couple of years. When the Warriors fade, as every team does, they'll be tossed onto the heap of generic teams as well to make room for more Knicks and Lakers games.
Toronto has some unique challenges as the only Canadian team and I don't deny that but I also get tired of the woe is Toronto crap - the organization has finally stopped with it since Ujiri showed up and it's time for the fans to do the same.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostI don't hold that "woe is Toronto" view for not being featured on ESPN as much as they deserve to be or would be if the Raptors were an American team. However, as a basketball fan as well as a Raptor fan it does suck that we don't get the same amount of content. I'm not looking for the team to get more recognition. I'm looking for basketball content from what is considered the leaders in the field. No offence to local media, but the quality of what they produce is not on par with ESPN/TNT.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostI don't hold that "woe is Toronto" view for not being featured on ESPN as much as they deserve to be or would be if the Raptors were an American team. However, as a basketball fan as well as a Raptor fan it does suck that we don't get the same amount of content. I'm not looking for the team to get more recognition. I'm looking for basketball content from what is considered the leaders in the field. No offence to local media, but the quality of what they produce is not on par with ESPN/TNT.
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psrs1 wrote: View PostTRex is right. Only way to gain respect is to show up in playoffs. The league should show more Raptors games nationally based on their record—Minnesota has had several Christmas Day appearances—on some level league should “force “ networks to take some of our games. Either our franchise is a part of the league or not—if based on their actions we are not truly considered part of the league we should disband our franchise.
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