Just very very hard to see the Raps landing on a decision to use your second highest paid asset @ 28$M for the next 3 years to be the third option ...then Ujiri will be fired for cause.
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Just very very hard to see the Raps landing on a decision to use your second highest paid asset @ 28$M for the next 3 years to be the third option ...then Ujiri will be fired for cause.There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Demographic Shift wrote: View PostThere is always somebody. Always. As we sit here today there is a GM out there who thinks that they can tweak/change/adjust and get DD to be something he hasnt shown he is expected to be in playoff appearances....Nobody is such a blanket statement. If he is moved it will come down to price.
Just very very hard to see the Raps landing on a decision to use your second highest paid asset @ 28$M for the next 3 years to be the third option ...then Ujiri will be fired for cause.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostI could be completely off here, but I wonder if the denial was from Gentry himself since Finch is his staff....and how much of that denial had to do with Casey getting fired for what many of his colleagues would feel was for unjustified cause. Like are the Raptors going to get the cold shoulder or have they damaged their relationships with other teams to some degree?
Now the bucks was the most attractive job this offseason for coaches.
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Quirk wrote: View PostFiring a GM for overpaying a very popular player who is 3rd in usage and a key starter, and an all Star, would be just as stupid as giving a player more shots just because his salary is high. Not a worry. Every team has overpayed someone. Overpaying a fan favourite who remains a good player is not something GMs get fired for if the team does well as a whole.
Play him and live with his faults within the parameters of an offensive scheme that does not make good use of his skill set or trade him for player(s) who do. Marginalizing him is foolish...especially at that salary in a salary cap league. That course of action, third option or bench player, is limiting the teams ability to compete. It’s sports. What have you done for me today. You want loyalty..get a puppy.Last edited by Demographic Shift; Tue Jun 19, 2018, 09:19 AM.There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Two names that have been discussed as potential assistants for Raptors head coach Nick Nurse: Spanish national team head coach Sergio Scariolo, one of the most decorated figures in international hoops and Phil Handy, the long-time Cavs assistant who was let go Monday.
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planetmars wrote: View PostTwo names that have been discussed as potential assistants for Raptors head coach Nick Nurse: Spanish national team head coach Sergio Scariolo, one of the most decorated figures in international hoops and Phil Handy, the long-time Cavs assistant who was let go Monday.
— Michael Grange (@michaelgrange) June 19, 2018
If Scariolo is willing to be an assistant here that would be great
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Scariolo was reported earlier by a European reporter. So that's probably solid.
While every team with an opening will be chasing Handy, who is a top player development coach in the league.
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planetmars wrote: View PostTwo names that have been discussed as potential assistants for Raptors head coach Nick Nurse: Spanish national team head coach Sergio Scariolo, one of the most decorated figures in international hoops and Phil Handy, the long-time Cavs assistant who was let go Monday.
— Michael Grange (@michaelgrange) June 19, 2018
9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Demographic Shift wrote: View PostSorry man..just not seeing the point your trying to make. Depending on which way the wind is blowing either Derozan or Lowry are the Raps best players and are paid as such. Relegating one to third option or coming off the bench for the remaining 3 years of a big contract is not a cogent long term strategy for a GM.
Play him and live with his faults within the parameters of an offensive scheme that does not make good use of his skill set or trade him for player(s) who do. Marginalizing him is foolish...especially at that salary in a salary cap league. That course of action, third option or bench player, is limiting the teams ability to compete. It’s sports. What have you done for me today. You want loyalty..get a puppy.
If Masai can bamboozle some gm like with bargnani, that's great, but I'm not counting on it.
If we can't trade him for value, then the best way to use him is as a third option.
Not sure why this is hard to understand.
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Quirk wrote: View PostNobody will trade anything of value for DeRozan. He is a barely above average starter. It's not loyalty, it's pragmatism. His popularity in Toronto makes him more valuable than whatever you would be offered in return, which will be not much.
If Masai can bamboozle some gm like with bargnani, that's great, but I'm not counting on it.
If we can't trade him for value, then the best way to use him is as a third option.
Not sure why this is hard to understand.
Even leaving that aside, are teams really not willing to trade anything of value for above average starters now? That's a valuation that roughly 75 players in a league of 450 qualify for.
Again, though, the perception of him as a player is far above ~75th best in the NBA - heck, even those SI lists that tend to underrate him put him consistently in the top 50, and top 40 going into this past season.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostSo as an example, would DeMar be perceived by the league as a prime Paul Milsap, in comparison?
While DeMar is a proto-typical all star - high scoring, multiple all star games before he hit his peak including his first at age 24. Millsap's most impressive raw stat line is probably his 18-8-4 from last year. DeMar's 27-5-4 sells a lot better on the market. A good evaluator of "teams will shell out for this guy" tends to be PER (assuming a heavy minutes load), even though it's a bad talent evaluator. And DeMar's 22+ average PER over the past 3 years outstrips Millsap's peak three year PER of just over 20. And on the heavy minutes load side, DeMar consistently plays above 2500 minutes, with his peaks above 3000, and over the past three seasons averaging 2700 per year. Millsap never hit 2700 once, and in his prime PER years, averaged more like 2500 minutes. Which isn't a huge difference, but each little incremental thing adds up.
So probably a little above Millsap in terms of raw value, and then also with his success coming at a younger age - Millsap's first all star game came at age 28, the age DeMar managed his 4th all star game.
But I do think that's a decent comparison. Just probably underestimates DeMar's league wide value a little.
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I'd say that sort of estimated value would be worth a pick in the 6-10 range in a weak draft. In a draft like this, which isn't particularly strong or weak, perhaps around the 7-12 range. I'd suggest the Memphis pick is likely out of play, but that the Clippers picks or 76ers might be the more likely option here.
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