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Quirk wrote: View PostYes Demar is a good player, which you send away when you trade him. The return will not replace this value.
He is a good player, not a great player. A slightly above average starter. His contract is expensive and long. Therefor, you are unlikely to get a better player back.
If you want to trade Demar away for another expensive, slightly above player, or worse, that is possible. But why?
Take a knee..There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostThere's one thing to keep in mind in usage conversations. Nurse hopefully won't want to stick to the ridiculous hockey subs Casey did.
If you're staggering the rotation more, it might not mean much decline for Demar. He could still be around at least 26%+, and JV and Lowry can both go up. Personally I don't really want to see Lowry's much higher. Around 23-25% is probably about right if you don't want to wear him out.
JV especially can see his usage go up quite a bit if he plays more with some bench units (that he has hardly played with at all in his entire career because of Casey's sub patterns).
And all this is moot if Masai trades one or both all-stars away.
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Quirk wrote: View PostIf DD, according to you, is only valuable with the ball in hands, and therefore can't have less than 30% usage, and his production is not good enough to justify this usage? Why do you think would anybody trade for him? Who out there is eager to run their offence through him as there #1 options and give Toronto something valuable for that privilege?
That doesn't mean that there aren't any of those teams out there.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostPersonally I don't really want to see Lowry's much higher. Around 23-25% is probably about right if you don't want to wear him out.
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Yeah, moving DeMar to third option is a non-starter. The only way to reduce DeMar's total usage without hurting his contribution to the team is by reducing his minutes, not taking the ball out of his hands. And that doesn't seem like a path to success to me.
He has a talent that is desired league wide - the ability to initiate offence, make plays, and score on his own. Just because the Raptors probably value that less right now doesn't mean they should force him into a role he doesn't fit in rather than capitalizing on the league wide need for that skill-set. Use him as they've been using him, or trade him. The middle ground is worse for all involved.
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I want to point out we all said the same about Bargnani, how he can’t be traded, mainly because he was garbage, but still. Masai did it and got a pick which turned to Poelt.
I love how Quirk is sticking to the fact that trading Derozan is impossible when crazier trades have happened.
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Quirk wrote: View Post“I’m going to put the ball in his stomach a little bit more and have him run the offence,” Nurse said of the 32-year-old point guard.
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DanH wrote: View PostYeah, moving DeMar to third option is a non-starter. The only way to reduce DeMar's total usage without hurting his contribution to the team is by reducing his minutes, not taking the ball out of his hands.
DeRozan 2017-18 usage is 29.2
Not sure why dropping him down to 22% or so is certain doom.
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Quirk wrote: View PostDeRozan 2016-17 usage is 34.2.
DeRozan 2017-18 usage is 29.2
Not sure why dropping him down to 22% or so is certain doom.
DeRozan usage + AST% in 2017-18: 54.6%.
The ball wasn't in his hands less, he was just passing more often(which is good, but still doesn't give him off-ball value).twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostThat doesn't mean taking a buttload more shots. Just want him being the initiator of our offence more. That makes sense and doesn't have to mean a crazy high USG. For instance giving him the ball more could also help increase other players' USG, like JV who DeMar still ignores too often when he's open or has deep post position.
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Quirk wrote: View PostDeRozan 2016-17 usage is 34.2.
DeRozan 2017-18 usage is 29.2
Not sure why dropping him down to 22% or so is certain doom.
Leave the ball in his hands, and his usage will stay above 25%, and his assist rate will stay above 20%. Take the ball out of his hands, and run the offence through other guys so that you suppress that usage for DeMar, and the plays where he's not a threat to score will hurt your offence, and the offensive gains that off-set his defensive drawbacks will not consistently be there anymore.
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A.I wrote: View PostI want to point out we all said the same about Bargnani, how he can’t be traded, mainly because he was garbage, but still. Masai did it and got a pick which turned to Poelt.
I love how Quirk is sticking to the fact that trading Derozan is impossible when crazier trades have happened.
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