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Apollo wrote: View PostCompared to guys he's facing in the NBA he looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy. He's NBA ready skillwise and may very post some nice stats right away but he will get lit up in the playoffs until he gets in NBA shape. Also he can't coexist with Kyle seeing how he keeps telling everyone he's a PG and needs the ball in his hands.
Every other PG and high usage player on the team manages to coexist with Kyle, so I think your concerns are a little overblown.
I don't know that I'd say the Raptors would be better right away - but I also don't think they'd necessarily be much worse.
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DanH wrote: View PostIf the value is there for Lowry, sure. No one (or at least not me, which is all that matters) is opposed to that. Some question whether the value will be there (I think Lowry's value is very situational, and the return for him will only be good if the right teams end up in a position where they are in a hurry to add talent), and if it's not, and he could more easily be leveraged as a large expiring/rental next off-season, there is no harm in seeing what the team can do without DeMar and going head first into the new offensive system. Rushing to move Lowry this off-season for a mediocre return would be silly.
That said, my biggest concern is that if Lowry is moved, DD should definitely be moved. DeMar's value as a mid-peak player is highest with term on his contract, not as a rental.
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Apollo wrote: View PostIf the consensus here is that this team isn't good enough now to advance to the finals and that Kyle is at the end of his prime then it's better to deal him now and extract whatever value there is before he falls off. It's a tough business.
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DanH wrote: View PostThe implication being that he would get lit up in the playoffs worse than DeMar does, which is... possible, I guess?
Every other PG and high usage player on the team manages to coexist with Kyle, so I think your concerns are a little overblown.
I don't know that I'd say the Raptors would be better right away - but I also don't think they'd necessarily be much worse.Last edited by Apollo; Tue Jun 19, 2018, 09:22 AM.
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DanH wrote: View PostAgreed! Perhaps his value is greater next year though, in which case that is when they should trade him. If the best offer this summer is a late 1st or something, that's not a return that makes a real difference, and you wait out the market next year or at the deadline to see if you can get a team to really bite.
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Apollo wrote: View PostIf the consensus here is that this team isn't good enough now to advance to the finals and that Kyle is at the end of his prime then it's better to deal him now and extract whatever value there is before he falls off. It's a tough business.
Tanking is typically a natural thing. It happens when your best players leave town (eg, Lebron in Cleveland the first time around) or their bodies give out (eg, Dirk, Kobe). It's generally not forced.. and when that happens a GM is probably going to get axed sooner than later (eg, Hinkie).
Masai created a 3 year window. We are in year 2.
The reason the Raptors failed last season was because of one guy. Pure and simple. That guy might go out West this summer and that problem fixes itself.
And I know Boston is going to get their guys back and Philly is going to just organically be better.. but the Raptors wouldn't be mentally afraid of those teams unless if Lebron is playing for them.
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Apollo wrote: View PostDoncic is young now, probably at his quickest. The goes with age, which is troubling in his case being he's starting at a disadvantage. The reason he's not going #1 is because of athletics, it's limiting his perceived upside. He may put up nice numbers but he may never be a winner because of his athletic limitations. Who is Doncic guarding in the playoffs? You can kick DeRozan's D but he's a far superior defender to Doncic.
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Apollo wrote: View PostThere are some high risk/reward guys in the middle of the 1st who could accelerate a Raps reboot by years if Ujiri hits. If they could work a deal for a mid round pick I'd do it and roll the dice.
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DanH wrote: View PostThe implication being that he would get lit up in the playoffs worse than DeMar does, which is... possible, I guess?
Every other PG and high usage player on the team manages to coexist with Kyle, so I think your concerns are a little overblown.
I don't know that I'd say the Raptors would be better right away - but I also don't think they'd necessarily be much worse.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostDoncic is that good? I'm trying hard to get on board with this guy, but I'm always really weary when it comes to European players whom aren't accustomed to the North American style of defences. I'm certainly not putting him anywhere near DeMar's level yet though.
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planetmars wrote: View PostYou don't tank a 59 win team. So if you want a tank/rebuild.. it's not going to happen. Just need to make peace with that. Trading Lowry is a tank move. He's had as much of an impact at age 31/32 than Vince did as a Raptor.
Tanking is typically a natural thing. It happens when your best players leave town (eg, Lebron in Cleveland the first time around) or their bodies give out (eg, Dirk, Kobe). It's generally not forced.. and when that happens a GM is probably going to get axed sooner than later (eg, Hinkie).
Masai created a 3 year window. We are in year 2.
The reason the Raptors failed last season was because of one guy. Pure and simple. That guy might go out West this summer and that problem fixes itself.
And I know Boston is going to get their guys back and Philly is going to just organically be better.. but the Raptors wouldn't be mentally afraid of those teams unless if Lebron is playing for them.
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DanH wrote: View PostDoncic looks really good. I don't think he's nearly at the level DeMar is (yet) but I also think very little of the team's success is reliant on DeMar anyway.
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DanH wrote: View PostI don't know that you have any evidence of that last statement. DeRozan's issues defensively are not physical.
I'm also not a proponent of keeping DD.
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