Everything Kawhi Leonard

[GOLDBLUM]

Awwwwww.. look at his teeny tiny Stone Cold gif.

[golden]

Bad and dangerous are the 2 best Michael Jackson albums

Yes Joey it's still the offseason

That's mid-season form, Keon. Pace yourself, brah.

[DanH]

Exactly my point, even more so.

My point was that the all NBA teams are not a good barometer for talent.

[DanH]

"True franchise player" based on fucking what?

He didn't do anything in the playoffs. He never even led us to 50 wins in an EXTREMELY weak eastern conference.

The teams Vince was saddled with when he was here don't bear thinking about.

[KeonClark]

Awwwwww.. look at his teeny tiny Stone Cold gif.

Stone cute steve awwstin

[Shaolin Fantastic]

Raptors Vince was better compared to other players in his era than DeRozan is compared to players in his. However if you look at production, efficiency and accolades, there isn't really much of a gap. He ranks ahead of Carter for me on the all-time Raptors list. Kawhi is obviously way better than both, and I'd put peak-Lowry ahead of both of them as well.

Might sound blasphemous, but players just get better from era to era. That's the reality. It's why LeBron is, in fact, better than Michael Jordan.

[LJ2]

VC was a legit franchise talent. Saying he is not is like saying KG or Durrant prior to being teamed up with good players were not franchise players. Circumstances matter.

[Shaolin Fantastic]

VC was a legit franchise talent. Saying he is not is like saying KG or Durrant prior to being teamed up with good players were not franchise players. Circumstances matter.

I don't care if he was a franchise talent or not, I care about results. He never did anything to demonstrate he could lead a team to a championship like an actual franchise player. KG led the Wolves to a 58-24 record and WCF in 2004. KD led the Thunder to the damn finals in 2012. VC couldn't get out of round 2 in a joke of an eastern conference.

[LJ2]

I don't care if he was a franchise talent or not, I care about results. He never did anything to demonstrate he could lead a team to a championship like an actual franchise player. KG led the Wolves to a 58-24 record and WCF in 2004. KD led the Thunder to the damn finals in 2012. VC couldn't get out of round 2 in a joke of an eastern conference.

And who were on those teams with KG and KD, in those respective seasons?

[KeonClark]

VC was a legit franchise talent. Saying he is not is like saying KG or Durrant prior to being teamed up with good players were not franchise players. Circumstances matter.

Did you just compare Kevin Durant and Vince? All time great vs. All Star

[rocwell]

Masai on Kawhi: "He's happy, and from what everybody has told me he's healthy... He's determined. He seems in the right frame of mind... I think there's a fire inside him and we're all excited about that."

— Josh Lewenberg (@JLew1050) September 18, 2018

[rocwell]

Masai on Kawhi: "He's a quiet kid. Good luck to (the media) with him and OG. I wish you all the best. He's just quiet. They're just like that. We cannot all be the same kind of people. His concentration is basketball, which is what you want. He's a basketball junkie."

— Josh Lewenberg (@JLew1050) September 18, 2018

[rocwell]

OG and Kawhi at a party

[The Great One]

I don't care if he was a franchise talent or not, I care about results. He never did anything to demonstrate he could lead a team to a championship like an actual franchise player. KG led the Wolves to a 58-24 record and WCF in 2004. KD led the Thunder to the damn finals in 2012. VC couldn't get out of round 2 in a joke of an eastern conference.

Wrong.

Newsflash - Basketball is a TEAM game.

In 2004, KG had Latrell Sprewell and Sam Cassell on his team. 2 really really good players.

KD in 2012 had Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden lol.

The BEST player that Vince played with during his time with the Raptors was..... ANTONIO DAVIS lol.

[The Great One]

Michael Jordan couldn't lead the 80's Bulls anywhere without Scottie Pippen. And Scottie Pippen couldn't lead the Bulls anywhere when Jordan retired in the 90's.