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    Phoenix had strong interest in FVV in the off-season. They’ve been looking for a PG for ages. Miles needs heavy minutes to get his shooting stroke back. We can do something like this:

    FVV + CJ Miles for
    Ariza + Troy Daniels

    Our bench becomes:
    Wright / Daniels / Ariza / OG / JV

    That’s a playoff team in the East, on its own. Our wing depth becomes insane. We can pickup another depth PG from China or the G League to replace Freddy.
    I like Ariza but I don't want an asset that expires given our cap situation. Without Bird rights we just lose that value for next year I think.

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    Washington's winning games again. Don't think they abandon the Wall/Beal tandam after all.

    Yeah the talk out of DC is that they want to retool around Wall/Beal. It would take a real car crash of a season for them to give up on those two. More likely they will try to find a taker for Otto Porter.

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    Washington's winning games again. Don't think they abandon the Wall/Beal tandam after all.
    They've beat the Nets, Knicks (barely) and Hawks (they gave up a 45-point quarter). This is still a below average team....

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    They've beat the Nets, Knicks (barely) and Hawks (they gave up a 45-point quarter). This is still a below average team....
    That's never stopped dumb management teams into convincing themselves to hold on long past the expiry dates.

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    Quote Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Yeah the talk out of DC is that they want to retool around Wall/Beal. It would take a real car crash of a season for them to give up on those two. More likely they will try to find a taker for Otto Porter.
    Are there teams looking for Otto Porter? I'm not being a smart-ass, I just haven't seen anything.

    Personally, it wouldn't shock me if no trades are made with Washington. They're on a streak and could overtake Charlotte/Orlando soon, depending on how things play out. They could be leaning on waiting until Dwight comes back to "properly assess."

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    Quote can't teach wingspan wrote: View Post
    Are there teams looking for Otto Porter? I'm not being a smart-ass, I just haven't seen anything.

    Personally, it wouldn't shock me if no trades are made with Washington. They're on a streak and could overtake Charlotte/Orlando soon, depending on how things play out. They could be leaning on waiting until Dwight comes back to "properly assess."
    I think New Orleans had interest in Porter at one point.. but they may have offered Washington a bunch of scrubs. Porter is a good player but not worth his contract. And teams will be willing to take that contract but only if they unload the worst of theirs.

    It's not going to be easy for the Wizards to rebuild unless they take pennies on the dollar or offer Beal. Beal can get them a nice haul. He's got a value contract and a long term deal to boot.

    So they may just hope to get the 8th seed again and pay the tax to do it. If they fail though, that's what causes most GM's to get fired.

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    I'm not sure if Masai is looking at the trade market this season. Delon is the first name that comes to mind. He didn't get an extension so is tradeable. But we kind of need him. We've seen Fred run the bench and he's not been very good. Wright hasn't been great, but the alternative is Brown.

    CJ has been awful. Does he have any interest in the league? He still has a year on his deal after this one, so there is risk if he's now a below 30% 3pt shooter.

    I would do a JV for Tristan swap (talked about it in a different thread). But that's really not going to move the needle that much.. and Cavs may not even care for it. Outside of Tristan, JV really is only going to be useful for the Raptors. We need his rebounding and understanding of our system, and he'd be more important to us than to any other team.

    We're not moving any of the starters. Even if a guy like Beal is actually available.. our starters are untouchable. So that would be some weird combo of bench guys like JV+OG. And I don't see Washington taking that deal.. not when Beal has a really great contract and every team in the NBA will want him on their roster.

    So I really think if a new guy is added to our roster it will be as a buyout candidate.

    Maybe Ariza but I suspect he'll be going back to Houston if he is bought out. I bet there was some wink-wink thing going on behind the scenes this summer there. Houston lets him get a fat salary for a year.. and still gets to use him in the playoffs.

    Another guy to look for is Wayne Ellington from Miami. Great shooter.. way more consistent than CJ IMO. If Miami continues to struggle and are looking at the lottery.. maybe they let Ellington play for a contender. He's a UFA in the summer. Although he's only making about $6.7M so a team could trade a 2nd rounder for him and Miami then gets something of value.
    Yup I've been thinking of Ellington as well. I know he's killed us in particular which might cause me to overrate him but his numbers are good in general and he would be affordable. I love Danny Green for many reasons but with the system Nurse employs we need another shooter as CJ seems permanently lost.

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    If all we want is a shooter and Miles can't deliver. Shouldn't we just sign Jimmer Fredette?

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    Quote Truth Teller wrote: View Post
    If all we want is a shooter and Miles can't deliver. Shouldn't we just sign Jimmer Fredette?
    Yeah, I mean that's basically what people are saying Freddy's role should be limited to off the bench, i.e., spot-up, off-the-ball shooter with secondary ball handling responsibilities. Sounds just like Jimmer. Just hope he's improved his defense. Probably some other guys in China or G-league who could fill that role.

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I mean that's basically what people are saying Freddy's role should be limited to off the bench, i.e., spot-up, off-the-ball shooter with secondary ball handling responsibilities. Sounds just like Jimmer. Just hope he's improved his defense. Probably some other guys in China or G-league who could fill that role.
    facepalm.gif

    Just because we're asking Delon to be the primary QB on the bench does not mean Jimmer Fredette can walk in and replace the things Fred does. NBA rotation guys don't grow on trees. Once Jimmer is done shooting that 3 he actually has to play the rest of the 5 on 5 basketball game.
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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I mean that's basically what people are saying Freddy's role should be limited to off the bench, i.e., spot-up, off-the-ball shooter with secondary ball handling responsibilities. Sounds just like Jimmer. Just hope he's improved his defense. Probably some other guys in China or G-league who could fill that role.
    LOL, what?

    Fred did exactly that last year (on this team no less!), was amazing at it last year (in the NBA no less!), nearly won 6th man of the year by doing it last year, and we should go get Jimmer freaking Fredette who can obviously do it just as well. That's an incredible take.

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    Quote Truth Teller wrote: View Post
    If all we want is a shooter and Miles can't deliver. Shouldn't we just sign Jimmer Fredette?
    No? We should sign NBA quality players, not non-NBA quality players. Next we'll be seeing people saying we should sign Heslip.

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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
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    Just because we're asking Delon to be the primary QB on the bench does not mean Jimmer Fredette can walk in and replace the things Fred does. NBA rotation guys don't grow on trees. Once Jimmer is done shooting that 3 he actually has to play the rest of the 5 on 5 basketball game.
    Is FVV actually an NBA rotation player, though? Or was last year an aberration, i.e., a perfect storm that hid his flaws? I mean, if Fred isn't bringing shooting, defense and high IQ play... what's the point? At times, he looks like a smaller version of CoJo out there.

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    What is fascination with Jimmer? Dude scores 50 in a loss in China
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    The things we need right now are to get Lowry's shooting and OG's defense back. We are sunk in the playoffs if those two don't return to form. And if I had to pick between the two I would value OG's defense. We need him against elite scorers.

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    Quote LJ2 wrote: View Post
    The things we need right now are to get Lowry's shooting and OG's defense back. We are sunk in the playoffs if those two don't return to form. And if I had to pick between the two I would value OG's defense. We need him against elite scorers.
    We need somebody to orchestrate the offense lol
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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Is FVV actually an NBA rotation player, though? Or was last year an aberration, i.e., a perfect storm that hid his flaws? I mean, if Fred isn't bringing shooting, defense and high IQ play... what's the point? At times, he looks like a smaller version of CoJo out there.
    And he was a good player too, despite his flaws and the fact he became a whipping boy around here.

    Fred has been fairly poor this season. Hed be the first to admit it. But hes a good defender and clutch gene is there, and we're not even at the 1/3 pole.

    I'm holding on to my fred vanvleet stock
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    Quote MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    What is fascination with Jimmer? Dude scores 50 in a loss in China
    I think he scored 73 lol
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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I mean that's basically what people are saying Freddy's role should be limited to off the bench, i.e., spot-up, off-the-ball shooter with secondary ball handling responsibilities. Sounds just like Jimmer. Just hope he's improved his defense. Probably some other guys in China or G-league who could fill that role.
    Ty Lawson played well against us in the playoffs.

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    Quote DanH wrote: View Post
    No? We should sign NBA quality players, not non-NBA quality players. Next we'll be seeing people saying we should sign Heslip.
    I was joking, but only half joking because I remembered we also have CJ Miles who does nothing.

    If we want to get better, we should look at Jeremy Lin. Who will be dirt cheap. He can run the point, create his own shots, play two positions, decent team defender, run the damn PNR because apparently its rocket science and can shoot a high % from 3.

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