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  • #76
    Superjudge wrote: View Post
    100%

    So easily people forget, and I can't understand why. It may be a bitter pill, but the guys we all loved, weren't good enough, and still aren't. Masai made this move as a TANK MOVE.

    This team had a chance to make this season special, hell, still could. But moreso, on many nights where it counts, they give you a real glimps as to why Masai was happy to tear it all down.
    It wasn't a tank move. A tank move would have been trading Derozan, Lowry, Ibaka, JV and everyone else and going for Barret/Zion. It was a move to try and win a championship. Frankly, I know people keep thinking the tank is on if Leonard leaves but I'm not so sure that will even be the case.

    As for this season, they are 22 games above 500. I'm not happy with the way they've approached the season and Lowry's issues have been tough swallow but all the East contenders have issues, too. It's way too early to make claims of a wasted year. If they go out in the second round and Leonard leaves then the move was a failure but we're a long way from that.

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    • #77
      Superjudge wrote: View Post
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      So easily people forget, and I can't understand why. It may be a bitter pill, but the guys we all loved, weren't good enough, and still aren't. Masai made this move as a TANK MOVE. If Leonard stays, great, if not, Toronto got to get out from under Derozans contract and start over because he ain't winning you a Title. Lowry, is DEFINITELY not winning you a title, and ther was nobody past them worth mentioning in that conversation.

      This year is a waste because of a few things;

      - CJ Miles turned into a buring piece of garbage.
      - The Stiff gt his thumb ripped off..... odds are he will not come back any place close to where he was.
      - VanVleet has decided that a contract means he can go back to being an undrafted piece of shit
      - Lowry is fat, entitled, juvenile, and an awful embarrassment in a year where he had a chance to go deep.
      - OG has been mourning his dad now for 5 months. Sorry, thats too long.

      The new guys bring it.
      Norm is bringing it.
      The stiffs Wright, Monroe...they are what you expect.... but not horriffic, but relied upon to be top tier players because the big money guys don't bring it every night.

      This team had a chance to make this season special, hell, still could. But moreso, on many nights where it counts, they give you a real glimps as to why Masai was happy to tear it all down.
      How long is ok to mourn superjudge?
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      • #78
        Superjudge wrote: View Post
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        So easily people forget, and I can't understand why. It may be a bitter pill, but the guys we all loved, weren't good enough, and still aren't. Masai made this move as a TANK MOVE. If Leonard stays, great, if not, Toronto got to get out from under Derozans contract and start over because he ain't winning you a Title. Lowry, is DEFINITELY not winning you a title, and ther was nobody past them worth mentioning in that conversation.

        This year is a waste because of a few things;

        - CJ Miles turned into a buring piece of garbage.
        - The Stiff gt his thumb ripped off..... odds are he will not come back any place close to where he was.
        - VanVleet has decided that a contract means he can go back to being an undrafted piece of shit
        - Lowry is fat, entitled, juvenile, and an awful embarrassment in a year where he had a chance to go deep.
        - OG has been mourning his dad now for 5 months. Sorry, thats too long.

        The new guys bring it.
        Norm is bringing it.
        The stiffs Wright, Monroe...they are what you expect.... but not horriffic, but relied upon to be top tier players because the big money guys don't bring it every night.

        This team had a chance to make this season special, hell, still could. But moreso, on many nights where it counts, they give you a real glimps as to why Masai was happy to tear it all down.
        Superjudge doesn't do you justice. Should call yourself Superprick.
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        • #79
          KeonClark wrote: View Post
          How long is ok to mourn superjudge?
          Internally, and as a human being you have your own timeline.

          Professionally, you have to show up if you're showing up. So thats how long. People die.

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          • #80
            Superjudge wrote: View Post
            ...People die.
            And some fans are stupid.

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            • #81
              Superjudge wrote: View Post
              Internally, and as a human being you have your own timeline.

              Professionally, you have to show up if you're showing up. So thats how long. People die.
              Is OG not showing up? He's been out there. And playing pretty well lately, too.
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              • #82
                KeonClark wrote: View Post
                How long is ok to mourn superjudge?
                Are we here to mourn superjudge.... or to bury him?

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                • #83
                  clips just added two 1st rounders...ouch makes the case for LA more stronger for Kawhi.

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                  • #84
                    sanyo wrote: View Post
                    clips just added two 1st rounders...ouch makes the case for LA more stronger for Kawhi.
                    yup he definitely can't wait to join LA to play with those picks

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                    • #85
                      sanyo wrote: View Post
                      clips just added two 1st rounders...ouch makes the case for LA more stronger for Kawhi.
                      Its really an odd case cause over the last year virtually all the rumors about Kawhi have been coming from random people who may or may not be well connected to Kawhi and he just focuses the whole time on basketball. I definitely believe the stuff that he wants to be close to his family, but anything else is unknown. At this point it seems pretty likely hes gone, but there is a lot of time left.

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                      • #86
                        Eating Gallo's contract for them in exchange for Kawhi while getting Shai and that Heat 2021 pick would be an excellent rebuilding haul.

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                        • #87
                          Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
                          Eating Gallo's contract for them in exchange for Kawhi while getting Shai and that Heat 2021 pick would be an excellent rebuilding haul.
                          Yeah, but I don't think they include both just to eat Gallo's deal - especially since they are already lined up for two max slots, so that deal only helps them add another 20M guy. They can find someone to eat it for one asset, it's expiring next year. And probably just one of their own picks, not the Heat one.

                          Now, there's a slim possibility they manage to convince two OTHER stars to go into their cap space, and we could help them with a SnT where they salary match to bring in Kawhi. But that's a very long shot.
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                          • #88
                            DanH wrote: View Post
                            Yeah, but I don't think they include both just to eat Gallo's deal - especially since they are already lined up for two max slots, so that deal only helps them add another 20M guy. They can find someone to eat it for one asset, it's expiring next year. And probably just one of their own picks, not the Heat one.

                            Now, there's a slim possibility they manage to convince two OTHER stars to go into their cap space, and we could help them with a SnT where they salary match to bring in Kawhi. But that's a very long shot.
                            Disagree. Put Kawhi on the table right now for Shai, Gallo and the Heat 2021 1st and you get him. It's too much value for the Clippers to say no to.

                            - Gallo offloaded so they can create two max slots
                            - Get to wine and dine Kawhi for the rest of the season, also very likely make the playoffs and make a little noise (lose in rd 1)
                            - Can now outbid every other team on Kawhi with his bird rights in addition to having the home team advantage
                            - Easier to woo another star when you already have Kawhi in tow in Los Angeles.

                            For us it's great too. Still make the playoffs and probably lose in the 2nd maybe 3rd round. SGA gets added to the OG, Siakam long-term core, 3 guys who will all be starters on championship level teams with SGA/Siakam having all-star potential. Likely high pick in the first HS draft and Gallo fits with the 2 year window where we can start looking to offload his, Lowry's, Ibaka's and JV's expirings for value next season.

                            This is all presuming we can't make a move to bolster this roster to title contention level prior to 3PM. What I would do anyway.

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                            • #89
                              Ew clicked on the wrong thread
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                              • #90
                                Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
                                Disagree. Put Kawhi on the table right now for Shai, Gallo and the Heat 2021 1st and you get him. It's too much value for the Clippers to say no to.

                                - Gallo offloaded so they can create two max slots
                                - Get to wine and dine Kawhi for the rest of the season, also very likely make the playoffs and make a little noise (lose in rd 1)
                                - Can now outbid every other team on Kawhi with his bird rights in addition to having the home team advantage
                                - Easier to woo another star when you already have Kawhi in tow in Los Angeles.

                                For us it's great too. Still make the playoffs and probably lose in the 2nd maybe 3rd round. SGA gets added to the OG, Siakam long-term core, 3 guys who will all be starters on championship level teams with SGA/Siakam having all-star potential. Likely high pick in the first HS draft and Gallo fits with the 2 year window where we can start looking to offload his, Lowry's, Ibaka's and JV's expirings for value next season.

                                This is all presuming we can't make a move to bolster this roster to title contention level prior to 3PM. What I would do anyway.
                                Right now? 100%. They do it, of course. Gives them the inside edge in FA. The Raptors obviously wouldn't be so dumb as to bail on their chance at keeping Kawhi though.

                                The summer is entirely different. At that point, the Clippers would presumably have already won the Kawhi race in FA if the teams are even having the conversation, and have zero reason to give up so much when they can just ink him outright, and find a team to take Gallo for a couple of their own depreciated draft assets. The Raptors at that point would obviously be willing to do it, as they'd have lost the Kawhi race, but it would be too late then (though they could recoup some more mediocre assets from LA for taking back Gallo, possibly). Which is the risk Ujiri took in the summer, so c'est la vie.
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