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  • Got 2 seasons of Raptors implosions to put into this:

    To start, those were straight dismantlings that not even a coaching change can fix. Biggest problem is the roster is constructed of specialists.
    CJ, Ibaka, and DD all are limited offensive options that dont play D.

    JV was arguably the best Raptor in the playoffs
    Lowry, FVV, OG, Siakim all were good. I believe in Jakob and Wright.

    Playoff basketball is a different game where players have to have some dog in them, or an extra gear. Some sort of bullish mentality where they dont get rattled.
    Additionally, playoff skillset requires that guards need to be able to play defense across 4 positions, can respectably hit a 3 pointer, and can create a shot or pass off a close out or pick and roll. Basically well rounded players (hence why boston is doing so well with Tatum and Brown). Overall it is safe to say that short of bringing in a superstar player, the best way to improve this team is to diversify the talent from specialists to rounded players.

    Lets start with this fact: DD is neither a superstar level offensive player or defensive player, nor a well rounded player. The Cavs blantantly disregarding him on offense when he did not have the ball is game, set, and match to any counter argument.

    My opinion for years has been very poor of DD. With the depth the Raptors showed this year, I think trading DD for certain types of players is a very viable option for MU to stay very competitive, while staying on the lookout for a true superstar.

    DD is not a superstar, so he wont bring back one of; a ton of picks, a super high pick, a superstar prospect. He will bring back a crap contract, and good prospect, and a middling pick, realistically as a starting point.

    Two "ideal" trades:

    1) New York
    TO Receives: Frank Ntilikina, future first (not 2018), Joakim Noah
    NYK Recieves: Demar Derozan

    NYK does it in the semi panic to get better and to get out from that awful Noah contract. Additionally, with going after the future first, it allows them to make this trade after the LBJ sweepstakes are over and not feel pressured to make a deal at draft day.

    Toronto does this to get Frank, who has proven to be a long, 2 way, well rounded player already after 1 season. He needs to work on his handles and in general improve. But overall he is exactly the type of 1/2 guard to pair with OG. The future first is an added bonus. Might need a minor tweak of 1 mil to make the deal work depending on how the future pick is valued $$ wise
    CONS: 1) Joakim Noah. 2) Joakim Noahs contract.

    2) Charlotte
    TO Receives: MKG, Dwight Howard, 10th pick (2018 draft)
    Charlotte Receives: DeMar DeRozan, CJ Miles

    Charlotte does it to try the Kemba-DD-Batum lineup to see if they can make the playoffs. Leaves them a bit thin at C but between Kaminsky, Zeller, and Hernangomez they should be fine.

    I am assuming a buyout is reached with Howard. Just a solid no.

    Raptors do it to draft Shai Gilgeous-Alexander at #10 if still available. Basically this years version of Ntilikina. Swiss army knife, two-way 1/2 guards who are 6'6". Built for the modern NBA. Dude showed massive growth in one season and has a gritty lock down play style which the Raptors need. Speaking of, MKG has that exact same mentality. On the surface that broken jumper makes you cringe, and his lack of healthy stretches are very few. But he is one of the best perimeter defenders and off ball cutters/energy guys in the league when he plays. This Raptor team needs more playoff cahones, and adding two players who can do so should more than make up for the lack of offense immediately. It will also force a larger role onto OG, Pascal, and Jakob. Potentially all good things.
    CONS: 1) Dwight Howard. 2) Dwight Howards contract. 3) MKGs jump shot

    I like the Ingram+Deng for DD as well...
    Mavs trade for Powell is mediocrity defined.

    Draft note: Doncic and Ayton are at the top of the class, Bamba and Gilgeous-Alexander are in that next best. And the rest is that typical shotgun of talent that may flourish if put in the right situation, or flop if in a bad one.

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    • Been hearing McHappy's name about and now OldSkool is back. Welcome back fellas.

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      • I think both those DD trades are pretty low value. They are both essentially salary dump trades - if a team wants to do that, they don't need a guy like DD heading back their way to shell out assets. I think you can probably get a similar return from NYK (if they will even deal with us) using Ibaka rather than DeRozan.
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        • HEAVY pass on those trades.

          Yikes.

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          • How's these two trades....


            Lowry to bucks for
            Bledsoe, Henson, 17th pick 2018 draft...

            With this trade we get rid of old ass Lowry's terrible contract (30m) and get a pick back on top of two good role players. Bucks get an (although aging) 3x all star, veteran type player to add beside Middleton and Giannis


            DeRozan and McKinnie for
            Ingram, Deng, hart and 2019 second......

            This trade only works if Lakers get PG. With this trade we get a young prospect (who may one day become a all star himself) in Ingram, he and OG can make a terrific 1-2 combo in the future. We also get a pick on the 2019 draft to add to our own first rounder. Unfortunately we have to take Deng as a salary filler. Lakers get a 3rd team all NBA player who is only 28 to add to their already young team and star free agents. They also get rid of Deng.


            Unfortunately I truly believe ibaka is not tradrable unless you take back someone like Joakim Noah for him which is a useless move. So we have to deal with him for the next two years but luckily for us you want help in the win column so we can start our offical tank for the next 2-4 years.


            Wright - VanVleet
            Ingram - Powell
            Anunoby - Deng
            Pascal - Ibaka
            Valanciunas - Jakob


            With this line up I think JV will constantly put up doubles doubles and averages around 17/11/1/0.5/1.5.... His value will skyrocket which means we can trade him as well if we get a good offer which includes lottery and/prospects. If not, that's fine too b/c he is still only 26. This team wins about 33-39 games I think which is equivalent to a pick in the range of 5-10 likely. If we hit gold and draft good (Masai excels at this) I think we can become a really nice and fun team.
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            First of all i was my own source

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            • Abbas wrote: View Post
              How's these two trades....


              Lowry to bucks for
              Bledsoe, Henson, 17th pick 2018 draft...

              With this trade we get rid of old ass Lowry's terrible contract (30m) and get a pick back on top of two good role players. Bucks get an (although aging) 3x all star, veteran type player to add beside Middleton and Giannis


              DeRozan and McKinnie for
              Ingram, Deng, hart and 2019 second......

              This trade only works if Lakers get PG. With this trade we get a young prospect (who may one day become a all star himself) in Ingram, he and OG can make a terrific 1-2 combo in the future. We also get a pick on the 2019 draft to add to our own first rounder. Unfortunately we have to take Deng as a salary filler. Lakers get a 3rd team all NBA player who is only 28 to add to their already young team and star free agents. They also get rid of Deng.


              Unfortunately I truly believe ibaka is not tradrable unless you take back someone like Joakim Noah for him which is a useless move. So we have to deal with him for the next two years but luckily for us you want help in the win column so we can start our offical tank for the next 2-4 years.


              Wright - VanVleet
              Ingram - Powell
              Anunoby - Deng
              Pascal - Ibaka
              Valanciunas - Jakob


              With this line up I think JV will constantly put up doubles doubles and averages around 17/11/1/0.5/1.5.... His value will skyrocket which means we can trade him as well if we get a good offer which includes lottery and/prospects. If not, that's fine too b/c he is still only 26. This team wins about 33-39 games I think which is equivalent to a pick in the range of 5-10 likely. If we hit gold and draft good (Masai excels at this) I think we can become a really nice and fun team.
              33-39 wins is more like 11-15 draft pick.

              I think you need a better return than that to move Lowry now.
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              • KeonClark wrote: View Post
                "Once again"...

                Media doesn't seem to understand that depression isn't just some blip in your week like a headache..this wasn't gonna fix itself overnight, and his original post wasnt out there intending to be the nba poster boy for others going through it, noble as it was of him to kind of shoulder that
                As DeMar would say, #clowns.

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                • OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
                  Got 2 seasons of Raptors implosions to put into this:

                  To start, those were straight dismantlings that not even a coaching change can fix. Biggest problem is the roster is constructed of specialists.
                  CJ, Ibaka, and DD all are limited offensive options that dont play D.

                  JV was arguably the best Raptor in the playoffs
                  Lowry, FVV, OG, Siakim all were good. I believe in Jakob and Wright.

                  Playoff basketball is a different game where players have to have some dog in them, or an extra gear. Some sort of bullish mentality where they dont get rattled.
                  Additionally, playoff skillset requires that guards need to be able to play defense across 4 positions, can respectably hit a 3 pointer, and can create a shot or pass off a close out or pick and roll. Basically well rounded players (hence why boston is doing so well with Tatum and Brown). Overall it is safe to say that short of bringing in a superstar player, the best way to improve this team is to diversify the talent from specialists to rounded players.

                  Lets start with this fact: DD is neither a superstar level offensive player or defensive player, nor a well rounded player. The Cavs blantantly disregarding him on offense when he did not have the ball is game, set, and match to any counter argument.

                  My opinion for years has been very poor of DD. With the depth the Raptors showed this year, I think trading DD for certain types of players is a very viable option for MU to stay very competitive, while staying on the lookout for a true superstar.

                  DD is not a superstar, so he wont bring back one of; a ton of picks, a super high pick, a superstar prospect. He will bring back a crap contract, and good prospect, and a middling pick, realistically as a starting point.

                  Two "ideal" trades:

                  1) New York
                  TO Receives: Frank Ntilikina, future first (not 2018), Joakim Noah
                  NYK Recieves: Demar Derozan

                  NYK does it in the semi panic to get better and to get out from that awful Noah contract. Additionally, with going after the future first, it allows them to make this trade after the LBJ sweepstakes are over and not feel pressured to make a deal at draft day.

                  Toronto does this to get Frank, who has proven to be a long, 2 way, well rounded player already after 1 season. He needs to work on his handles and in general improve. But overall he is exactly the type of 1/2 guard to pair with OG. The future first is an added bonus. Might need a minor tweak of 1 mil to make the deal work depending on how the future pick is valued $$ wise
                  CONS: 1) Joakim Noah. 2) Joakim Noahs contract.

                  2) Charlotte
                  TO Receives: MKG, Dwight Howard, 10th pick (2018 draft)
                  Charlotte Receives: DeMar DeRozan, CJ Miles

                  Charlotte does it to try the Kemba-DD-Batum lineup to see if they can make the playoffs. Leaves them a bit thin at C but between Kaminsky, Zeller, and Hernangomez they should be fine.

                  I am assuming a buyout is reached with Howard. Just a solid no.

                  Raptors do it to draft Shai Gilgeous-Alexander at #10 if still available. Basically this years version of Ntilikina. Swiss army knife, two-way 1/2 guards who are 6'6". Built for the modern NBA. Dude showed massive growth in one season and has a gritty lock down play style which the Raptors need. Speaking of, MKG has that exact same mentality. On the surface that broken jumper makes you cringe, and his lack of healthy stretches are very few. But he is one of the best perimeter defenders and off ball cutters/energy guys in the league when he plays. This Raptor team needs more playoff cahones, and adding two players who can do so should more than make up for the lack of offense immediately. It will also force a larger role onto OG, Pascal, and Jakob. Potentially all good things.
                  CONS: 1) Dwight Howard. 2) Dwight Howards contract. 3) MKGs jump shot

                  I like the Ingram+Deng for DD as well...
                  Mavs trade for Powell is mediocrity defined.

                  Draft note: Doncic and Ayton are at the top of the class, Bamba and Gilgeous-Alexander are in that next best. And the rest is that typical shotgun of talent that may flourish if put in the right situation, or flop if in a bad one.
                  On what planet has Ntilikina already proven himself as a 2-way, well rounded player in the NBA? He was one of the worst offensive players in the league last season.

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                  • DanH wrote: View Post
                    33-39 wins is more like 11-15 draft pick.

                    I think you need a better return than that to move Lowry now.

                    Tbh I don't think a better return for Lowry is even available. He is 32 now and not getting any younger, maybe if he was like 29. Bledsoe, Henson and the 17th pick for Lowry is a steal for us IMHO. But what makes you feel different? I'm very intrigued, ur probably the most knowledgeable when it comes to NBA in the broad so it really makes me wonder lol
                    Abbas wrote:

                    First of all i was my own source

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                    • DanH wrote: View Post
                      33-39 wins is more like 11-15 draft pick.

                      I think you need a better return than that to move Lowry now.

                      Tbh I don't think a better return for Lowry is even available. He is 32 now and not getting any younger, maybe if he was like 29. Bledsoe, Henson and the 17th pick for Lowry is a steal for us IMHO. But what makes you feel different? I'm very intrigued, your probably the most knowledgeable when it comes to NBA in the broad so it really makes me wonder lol
                      Abbas wrote:

                      First of all i was my own source

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                      • Abbas wrote: View Post
                        Tbh I don't think a better return for Lowry is even available. He is 32 now and not getting any younger, maybe if he was like 29. Bledsoe, Henson and the 17th pick for Lowry is a steal for us IMHO. But what makes you feel different? I'm very intrigued, ur probably the most knowledgeable when it comes to NBA in the broad so it really makes me wonder lol
                        If they want to try to keep winning, Bledsoe and Henson make sense. Of course, they get significantly worse by trading Lowry, so it doesn't really make sense. If they want to try to get worse, trading for Bledsoe and Henson doesn't make sense, and presumably a team would give more than that mid-1st to get out from under a bad contract at the same time, rather than having to trade two role players for Lowry.
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                        • Bonus Jonas wrote: View Post
                          HEAVY pass on those trades.

                          Yikes.
                          +1

                          Awful. Smfh.
                          Mamba Mentality

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                          • But, but...let's trade him for garbage. Smh.

                            Mamba Mentality

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                            • TRex wrote: View Post
                              But, but...let's trade him for garbage. Smh.

                              Not for garbage. For good things.
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                              • TRex wrote: View Post
                                But, but...let's trade him for garbage. Smh.

                                1. Blow it up
                                2. Lose lots
                                Steps 3 - 9: ?????
                                Step 10 Dynasty
                                9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum

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