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TRex wrote: View PostWas Reggie Miller a superstar player?
Amazing leader, iconic playoff memories..but hell demar derozan has had a higher regular season peak9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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I think Reggie Miller was a superstar/franchise player. He was a PERENNIAL 20+ppg scorer in his prime. His ppg were significantly down in his last 3-4 years hence the 18ppg career average. But that man has over 25000 points. He singlehandedly carried the Pacers to the Finals in 2000. He would've won a ring if not for Shaq and Kobe.
Vince Carter btw has a 17/4/3 career average. Vince in his prime was a superstar player. I don't think anyone would argue that.Mamba Mentality
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TRex wrote: View PostI think Reggie Miller was a superstar/franchise player. He was a PERENNIAL 20+ppg scorer in his prime. His ppg were significantly down in his last 3-4 years hence the 18ppg career average. But that man has over 25000 points. He singlehandedly carried the Pacers to the Finals in 2000. He would've won a ring if not for Shaq and Kobe.
Vince Carter btw has a 17/4/3 career average. Vince in his prime was a superstar player. I don't think anyone would argue that.
Duncan, Garnett, Shaq, Kidd and Kobe were the superstars of early 2000s
Carter was a level, or two (can even argue 3) below these 5 guysAbbas wrote:
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Abbas wrote: View PostCarter was a star no doubt, but he was no superstar.
Duncan, Garnett, Shaq, Kidd and Kobe were the superstars of early 2000s
Carter was a level, or two (can even argue 3) below these 5 guys
Though you also projected same conviction when u said that Derozan has an above average defense.
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TRex wrote: View PostI think Reggie Miller was a superstar/franchise player. He was a PERENNIAL 20+ppg scorer in his prime. His ppg were significantly down in his last 3-4 years hence the 18ppg career average. But that man has over 25000 points. He singlehandedly carried the Pacers to the Finals in 2000. He would've won a ring if not for Shaq and Kobe.
Vince Carter btw has a 17/4/3 career average. Vince in his prime was a superstar player. I don't think anyone would argue that.
Reggie is more famous for moments. Super clutch. But he was never a top 10 player over an entire season9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Reggie was a team leader, fierce competitor, and franchise guy without putting up superstar numbers. He was the backbone of a very good team that made a Finals and was one of the top teams in the league for several seasons. If he played now he'd be jacking 8-10 3's a game and getting better numbers.
Anyone who thinks Vince wasn't a superstar in the early 00's is nuts."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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Everyone will have a different take on what a superstar means. It's more than an MVP in my opinion. It's someone that you can place on 29 other teams and make them contenders over night.
Look at a sad sack group like the Knicks. If you put player X on that team.. are they legit championship contenders? That's how I would qualify it.
So my short list for current players that are superstars are Lebron, Durant, Steph, Harden, Davis and a healthy Kwahi.
Reggie Miller would not qualify in my opinion. His Pacer's teams were quite solid near the end of his tenure. But that team reminded me more of our Raptors than anything else. They had a lot of solid pieces. Miller was like Lowry to be frank. No chance against Jordan like we had against Lebron.
Vince is a good debate point. He was never in real MVP consideration. The team only got through 1 round once and that was with a 5 game series. No more than 47 wins in a year which isn't that great. His peak was too short. And at his best he may have been more Dominique than Jordan. Would probably still give him that super star card.. but that's probably only because he was so fucking awesome as a Raptor, and I'm a Raptors fan.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostVince was a superstar. Miller was not.
Part of my definition of superstar is the amount of hype and excitement they generate. Vince was a legit rock star with the Raps... Miller never had that kind of drawing power.
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S.R. wrote: View PostReggie was a team leader, fierce competitor, and franchise guy without putting up superstar numbers. He was the backbone of a very good team that made a Finals and was one of the top teams in the league for several seasons. If he played now he'd be jacking 8-10 3's a game and getting better numbers.
Anyone who thinks Vince wasn't a superstar in the early 00's is nuts.Mamba Mentality
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Scraptor wrote: View PostVince was a superstar. Miller was not.
Part of my definition of superstar is the amount of hype and excitement they generate. Vince was a legit rock star with the Raps... Miller never had that kind of drawing power.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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