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raptors999 wrote: View PostMirotic and Ibaka is worse defensivrly thsn JV and Ibaka. If they trade JV they need to get a player they can waive. Adding any veteran will kill playing time for the young guys. There is no position or role that doesnt have youth looking for minutes - 3-D, ball handling, big, forward etc
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostDid you miss the part where I said he has a team option for next year? Raps could take his 12.5 mill off the books this summer. Ibaka/Mirotic is not better defensively. Bulls have actually been better with Niko on the floor. He has positive net rating on his team. Same cant be said about JV. Swaping one role player for another.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostCant give Casey an expiring, he overplays them at the expense of better, younger options. Rather get Mirotic and waive or flip. If they trade JV, they shouldnt expect a player to play this year at all, there are logjams everywhere
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostThat's a terrible arguement.
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Mirotic is so bad I want nothing to do with him. We literally have no need for him. Any trade involving JV has to be for a borderline star or a salary dump, I don’t want a veteran coming in and taking minutes from the guys we would be doing this to give minutes to.
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Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View PostWhat good does taking that money off in the summer actually do other than saving us luxury tax payments?
Maury wrote: View PostMirotic is so bad I want nothing to do with him. We literally have no need for him. Any trade involving JV has to be for a borderline star or a salary dump, I don’t want a veteran coming in and taking minutes from the guys we would be doing this to give minutes to.
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Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View PostWhat good does taking that money off in the summer actually do other than saving us luxury tax payments?
To me it's not worth it being in the tax until you're in the top tier conversation for a title, JUUUUSST below it, or some other rare exceptions where you really need to keep core members together because you believe you'll be there soon. None of those apply to us.
Dallas fans are interested in trading Noel for JV. We would want to swindle more from them seeing as he's a DNP-CD right now. Much higher defensive ceiling, fits into what we're doing, opens up cap wiggle room now and in the future, and gives more minutes to center Serge, Poeltl, Siakam.
I hated the idea a few months ago. Starting to come around to it now9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View PostYou realize there's penalties beyond "costs owners money" right? Like ones that can handcuff your basketball operations?
To me it's not worth it being in the tax until you're in the top tier conversation for a title, JUUUUSST below it, or some other rare exceptions where you really need to keep core members together because you believe you'll be there soon. None of those apply to us.
Dallas fans are interested in trading Noel for JV. We would want to swindle more from them seeing as he's a DNP-CD right now. Much higher defensive ceiling, fits into what we're doing, opens up cap wiggle room now and in the future, and gives more minutes to center Serge, Poeltl, Siakam.
I hated the idea a few months ago. Starting to come around to it now
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DanH wrote: View PostThis team's window, with this expensive core, is like three years at most. This is the time to go into the tax, if ever.
Trading JV for an expiring is actually really fucking stupid now that I think about it, because that's 15M+ that we can't use as a trade ballast next year.
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Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View PostThis, we shouldn't be pussyfooting about and counting pennies. They need to spend and maximize this core.
Trading JV for an expiring is actually really fucking stupid now that I think about it, because that's 15M+ that we can't use as a trade ballast next year.
Any version of salary dump is mostly just cheaping out unless the team is in love with another MLE player (who I think they would have a hard time replicating JV's usefulness with, unlike Carroll); and any dream of a significant draft asset return is just that - a dream.
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DanH wrote: View PostTo me there are two acceptable and possible trade scenarios. Trade JV with some prospect value for a similar costing but better fitting player (I think this is unlikely this season, but possible in the off-season after proofing this version of the team, giving Poeltl another year under his belt, and freeing up future picks). Or, trade JV and Norm in the summer for a star player, with plenty of assets going the other way (picks, prospects, etc).
Any version of salary dump is mostly just cheaping out unless the team is in love with another MLE player (who I think they would have a hard time replicating JV's usefulness with, unlike Carroll); and any dream of a significant draft asset return is just that - a dream.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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