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OFFICIAL: James Johnson sent to Kings for 2nd Rounder
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So basically we gambled on Nash by giving Landry a bigger contract than he's worth in a strategic move. That back fired and we're stuck with a bigger contract than what we normally would have offered Landry. His contract, as others have mentioned, warrants a starting role and we also have to find minutes for T. Ross and and Kleiza at SF. JJ was the odd man out, and BC's hand was kind of forced to make the trade because of a bad contract he handed out.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostA healthy Kleiza is actually a pretty decent bench scorer. He provides more value than simply being a "translator".
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Didn't hate JJ but didn't place him as high on my list as so many here do. I'll put my trust with the people who saw him everyday and knew what his headspace and commitment to the game really were and not lose too much sleep over it. I keep saying y'all need to chill on overreacting to the lose of mediocre players on bad teams. This is a cap clearing move that also creates roster space. I'll take it.
Loved his hustle on D but hustle without direction is really just flailing about and not really playing the game at the highest level. His offence was horrific and his effort came and went. I can't understand why a fringe player with his god given abilities would pull some of the black hole/diva isht he did. And don't even start me on the hair...
It's a "m'eh, NEXT!" kinda move IMO for a "m'eh, NEXT!" kinda player. Just like Jamario you have to wonder how well he actually understands what's happening out there sometimes. BBall IQ was definitely not the highest.LET'S GO RAP-TORS!!!!!
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Mediumcore wrote: View PostSo basically we gambled on Nash by giving Landry a bigger contract than he's worth in a strategic move. That back fired and we're stuck with a bigger contract than what we normally would have offered Landry. His contract, as others have mentioned, warrants a starting role and we also have to find minutes for T. Ross and and Kleiza at SF. JJ was the odd man out, and BC's hand was kind of forced to make the trade because of a bad contract he handed out.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostYou forgot Lowry
I still hope Lowry differs to Bargs and DeRo on O. Facilitate first, get own shot second, take over in crunch time.... basically the Chris Paul school of PGing.
I still think Linus will be an important offensive contributer if we're headed for any success at all.
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Red and White wrote: View PostYeah I am with you on this one. I just dont understand. Trade a first round pick for JJ. Play JJ. Watch JJ develop. Trade JJ for a second round pick. There has to be something else in the works.
Sacramento fans are pretty upset about this trade as well, but hypothetical starting lineup for the Kings:
IT
Evans
JJ
Robinson
Cousins
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Yeah, my first thought on reading about this trade is that there must be some potential move out there that BC is pursing, where a second-rounder would be more useful in a package than JJ. I agree with those who say that JJ for a second doesn't seem like great value, but it's entirely possible that the second-rounder has more value than JJ to some team out there.
I'm glad that he's going to an irrelevant west-coast team. He's the sort of guy I'd hate to see on a rival four times a year, because he'd probably bring it really hard against us.
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octothorp wrote: View PostYeah, my first thought on reading about this trade is that there must be some potential move out there that BC is pursing, where a second-rounder would be more useful in a package than JJ. I agree with those who say that JJ for a second doesn't seem like great value, but it's entirely possible that the second-rounder has more value than JJ to some team out there.
I'm glad that he's going to an irrelevant west-coast team. He's the sort of guy I'd hate to see on a rival four times a year, because he'd probably bring it really hard against us.
We need a SF back. JJ would be a nice piece to couple with Jose, DD, or ED to land a higher-caliber SF (like Iggy or Gay or Marion). His contact is OK to take on, but still helps match salaries, and he'd slide into the backup SF spot a potential trade would open up with our trade partner. I think this move shows that Jose and DeRo aren't a big enough prize to fetch a starting caliber SF.
I think this shows we're done. Only potential move is to send Jose packing for a similarly crappy pick, and then try to parlay these crappy picks into a backup PG.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostAs per Eric Koreen:
Fields and Kleiza will handle the small forward spot for the time being, with DeMar DeRozan moving over from shooting guard in a pinch. However, the Raptors are aggressively pursuing an upgrade at the position through a trade
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...medium=twitter
Maybe a bigger move is on the horizon after all....
Toronto would likely have needed to include JJ's contract in a deal to land Iggy, but Philly has no real use for him. This Sacramento deal was done to achieve the same goal (free up enough total cap space to take on Iggy's contract), while also landing another sweetener (2nd round pick).
It will either get done as a 2-part trade (ie: Calderon to Dallas first), or Calderon will be included in the deal direct to Philly. Davis seems the most likely player to be sent to Philly, unless they'd prefer Amir.
hmmm if the possible 3-way trade that Matt mentioned early in this thread were to be expanded to 4 teams...
Boston - Terry (via S&T)
Dallas - Calderon
Minnesota - Carter & $2M cash (to pay Carter's buyout, clearing $4M cap space for them)
Toronto - Ridnour
--> Toronto would acquire a backup PG to replace Calderon
Toronto could then trade Amir & 2x 2nd round picks (& possibly the rights to Zubcic) to Philly for Iggy straight-up, instead of Davis, since the difference between Amir ($6.05M) and Davis ($2.2M) is just about the same amount as Ridnour's contract...
Salary Out: JJ (2.8) + Calderon (10.6) + Amir (6.05) = $19.45M
Salary In: Ridnour (4.0) + Iggy (14.7) = $18.7M
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Salary Out: JJ (2.8) + Calderon (10.6) + Davis (2.2) = $15.6M
Salary In: Iggy (14.7) = $14.7M (would still need to find a backup PG)Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Mon Jul 16, 2012, 12:19 PM.
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good trade
Matt52 wrote: View PostWho shoots the 3 and spreads the floor?
Lastly, all the BC haters...Please for the 1000th time tell me who would you rather have as GM here.
BC is doing fine. No much of a difference between a later 1st round pick for JJ as compared to a early 2nd rd pick back to ship him out.
They tried developing him and things just didnt work out. All the best. decent trade
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