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With Leiweke on board, what happens to Colangelo now?
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slaw wrote: View PostRemeber 2008? When Colangelo had assembled the best team on paper he had ever had? Remember how that worked out? The only difference between the 2008/09 team and the coming 13/14 team is that the latter won't have a Chris Bosh to salvage the mess. JV is too young and inexperienced.
All that said, even if JV comes on strong in the next couple seasons and beyond you can't expect him to close out games. Not even the likes of Shaq and TD could close out games, they had guys like Kobe and Manu to shut the door with daggers. He needs some sidekicks with ice water in their veins.
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Apollo wrote: View PostAll that said, even if JV comes on strong in the next couple seasons and beyond you can't expect him to close out games. Not even the likes of Shaq and TD could close out games, they had guys like Kobe and Manu to shut the door with daggers. He needs some sidekicks with ice water in their veins.
Having said that, if you look at what Gasol and Noah and, to a lesser extent, Hibbert are doing for their teams, I could see JV developing into a guy like that who can dominate for stretches and put up highly productive numbers. It's actually kinda funny watching the current playoffs: every single team (other than Miami which doesnt' count cause of Lebron) is solid to good to very, very good at the C position.
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Rapstor4Life wrote: View PostDam thats pessimistic lol as long as they dont have Bargs playoffs should be a given next season.
I should've learned my lesson with the Jays. This team is sh!t until proven otherwise.
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Puffer wrote: View PostAs opposed to cataracts on their eyes.
slaw wrote: View PostI agree about the closing out games. Anyone on the current roster fit that bill?
Having said that, if you look at what Gasol and Noah and, to a lesser extent, Hibbert are doing for their teams, I could see JV developing into a guy like that who can dominate for stretches and put up highly productive numbers. It's actually kinda funny watching the current playoffs: every single team (other than Miami which doesnt' count cause of Lebron) is solid to good to very, very good at the C position.
It sure would help to have some draft picks...
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slaw wrote: View PostRemeber 2008? When Colangelo had assembled the best team on paper he had ever had? Remember how that worked out? The only difference between the 2008/09 team and the coming 13/14 team is that the latter won't have a Chris Bosh to salvage the mess. JV is too young and inexperienced. This team has no elite players. You can't win without at least one. Maybe JV is that guy but not right now.
Toronto is not Indy or Memphis or Chicago. Neither the individual talent level nor the roster construction is on par. This team's ceiling isn't Round 2. It's 9th place. Again, maybe JV can change that but it's a lot to ask a second year player who can't get his on hands on the ball cause the perimeter guys need 55 shots a game. I'd love to watch a good Raps team. But this iteration isn't it.
I don't think talent is being maximized and a big part of that is not only roster construction but how players are being used (in particular Lowry) or not used (in particular JV).
But even with all that said, I am not seeing a championship with this group of players, coaches, and management. If that is pessimistic so be it. I'd love to be proven incorrect - again.
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Puffer wrote: View PostAs opposed to the position of strength they would have if they started trying to trade their "untainted" goods now? :-)
But at least right now they are a team that is 'supposedly' making progress and moving forward.... what is the word? Ahhhh, right! POTENTIAL!
If they come out next year as a .350 to .400 team - again - good luck making changes that will need to be made and getting anything in return.
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