Personally, I'm a fan of how Clevland re-built their team post LBJ, through the draft (doesn't hurt that they hit the jackpot twice in 3 years). I'm just not a fan of their drafting. I think they could have made better choices where they selected, but never the less the method was sound imo.
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Mediumcore wrote: View PostPersonally, I'm a fan of how Clevland re-built their team post LBJ, through the draft (doesn't hurt that they hit the jackpot twice in 3 years). I'm just not a fan of their drafting. I think they could have made better choices where they selected, but never the less the method was sound imo.
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Mediumcore wrote: View PostPersonally, I'm a fan of how Clevland re-built their team post LBJ, through the draft (doesn't hurt that they hit the jackpot twice in 3 years). I'm just not a fan of their drafting. I think they could have made better choices where they selected, but never the less the method was sound imo.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostYet another concern with all-out tanking. Even when you successfully tank and get lucky in the draft lottery, there's still no guarantee any/all your top draft picks are going to work out. I do agree that some of their picks were just terrible though, but it still goes to show what a crap-shoot drafting can be.
Next season, isnt Kyrie due for a max extension? And if they do get Lebron, he'd probably get somewhere between 20-25 maybe even 30 (kobe) per season. When the time comes, how will they be able to re-sign Thompson, Waiters and Bennett?
So eventually, they wouldve drafted all 3 for nothing?
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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View PostCorect me if im wrong here.
Next season, isnt Kyrie due for a max extension? And if they do get Lebron, he'd probably get somewhere between 20-25 maybe even 30 (kobe) per season. When the time comes, how will they be able to re-sign Thompson, Waiters and Bennett?
So eventually, they wouldve drafted all 3 for nothing?
The only players with guaranteed contracts for the 2014-15 season are:
- Jack ($6.1M)
- rookies who haven't signed yet (Bennett, Karasev)
Every other player on Cleveland's roster is either a non-guaranteed contract (Varejao, Clark & Gee), team option (Irving, Bynum, Thompsom, Waiters & Zeller) or qualifying offer (Jones).
Irving & Thompson have qualifying offers for the 2015-16 season. Waiters & Zeller have qualifying offers for the 2016-17 season. Needless to say, they have loads of flexibility and ample time to cash in their young assets if need be.
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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View PostCorect me if im wrong here.
Next season, isnt Kyrie due for a max extension? And if they do get Lebron, he'd probably get somewhere between 20-25 maybe even 30 (kobe) per season. When the time comes, how will they be able to re-sign Thompson, Waiters and Bennett?
So eventually, they wouldve drafted all 3 for nothing?
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Bendit wrote: View PostJust a comment on LBJ commanding 30 mil. ala Kobe. Not possible as per cba rules. Kobe has achieved that lofty status by being a max player for sometime now, under at least 1-2 previous cba/s and due to mandatory yearly percentage increases on his salary.
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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View PostCorect me if im wrong here.
Next season, isnt Kyrie due for a max extension? And if they do get Lebron, he'd probably get somewhere between 20-25 maybe even 30 (kobe) per season. When the time comes, how will they be able to re-sign Thompson, Waiters and Bennett?
So eventually, they wouldve drafted all 3 for nothing?
Irving won't be eligible for his extension until the summer of 2015. They can even do a qualifying offer the following year if they wish, but I'm sure they'll lock him up long term the first opportunity they get. He will get the same $58million /4 year deal that guys like Hibbert, Lopez and Eric Gordon have signed recently.
Lebron won't make $30 million. Kobe's deal was under a prior CB. LBJ will be somewhere around the $20 million mark, similar to what Chris Paul just got as his "max" deal.
Thompson and Waiters are not projected to be max contract type players. Bennett it is way too early to call obviously. Regardless, it will be another 3-4 years before they are due for their first big pay bump; Now is not the time to start panicking about signing them all, especially when we have no idea what their value will be then. Plus there's always the option that Cleveland goes into the luxury tax to keep most or all of them if they are close to being a championship contender when they're due for a re-up.
They also have the choice to trade one of them before their extension, similar to what OKC did with Harden. You may not get equal value in that scenario, but you do get assets back. The idea that they drafted three guys in the top five for "nothing" is pretty far fetched.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostYet another concern with all-out tanking. Even when you successfully tank and get lucky in the draft lottery, there's still no guarantee any/all your top draft picks are going to work out. I do agree that some of their picks were just terrible though, but it still goes to show what a crap-shoot drafting can be.
If you can put yourself in the best position to succeed and you don't succeed, then it's not anyones fault. You've done the correct thing imo.
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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View PostCorect me if im wrong here.
Next season, isnt Kyrie due for a max extension? And if they do get Lebron, he'd probably get somewhere between 20-25 maybe even 30 (kobe) per season. When the time comes, how will they be able to re-sign Thompson, Waiters and Bennett?
So eventually, they wouldve drafted all 3 for nothing?
If Miami's success and what Houston has done recently and what San Antonio has been doing for years shows me anything it's that you should do whatever it takes to get elite talent on your team and then worry about the peices around them after that.
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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View PostCorect me if im wrong here.
Next season, isnt Kyrie due for a max extension? And if they do get Lebron, he'd probably get somewhere between 20-25 maybe even 30 (kobe) per season. When the time comes, how will they be able to re-sign Thompson, Waiters and Bennett?
So eventually, they wouldve drafted all 3 for nothing?Attitude Is A Choice.
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Mr.Z wrote: View PostI don't think they Cavs ever made it their strategy to build through the draft. It just worked out that way because their teams have been terrible.
LINK: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/...gives_fan.html
From the moment LBJ left, Cleveland targeted the draft as their primary means of rebuilding and they've stuck to the 'slow and steady' method. Unlike BC, who kinda sorta used the draft, while jumping at quick-fix band-aid solutions, in at least a partial attempt to save his job.
The lucky bonus in that deal was that they wound up being able to amnesty Davis after the new CBA was signed. Talk about a win-win situation!Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:09 PM.
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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View PostThank you. What will his max be?If Your Uncle Jack Helped You Off An Elephant, Would You Help Your Uncle Jack Off An Elephant?
Sometimes, I like to buy a book on CD and listen to it, while reading music.
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