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Matt52 wrote: View PostA few things bolded above:
1) This is your 7th post. Not sure we've gone back and forth all the time.
2) No one here is arguing. It is a forum for discussion. If you can think of better Raptor conversation pieces, please start a new thread.
3) The Raptors won 23 games last season in a 65 game, lockout shortened season. The Raptors won 36 of 82 games this year. Winning percentage increased from .348 to .415.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostHe was the starter for two seasons on a playoff team and he was injured this past season.
In my opinion he is a better starter for THE RAPTORS is all I am saying. Fit with gay.
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Primer wrote: View PostFields has played like dog shit the past 2 years, not just 1. He had one decent, not good, not great, but decent season his first year. If you're being realistic then it's far more likely Fields plays like last year than like his rookie year. There is no precedent I can think of where a player played like crap 2 years in a row and then an elbow surgery fixed their stroke, so I'm just playing the odds. I'd give a 10% chance Fields can get his 3's back above 30%. Seems like you give it a 90% chance. I think Fields is a horrible fit in any starting lineup because his shooting is awful. Until he proves he can shoot he isn't a better fit with Gay. Currently, DD is a better shooter from just about everywhere on the floor, including 3.
I am not into guessing percentages as I don't know. He showed improvement as the year progressed and Raps medical staff expect full recovery.
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Primer wrote: View PostFields has played like dog shit the past 2 years, not just 1. He had one decent, not good, not great, but decent season his first year. If you're being realistic then it's far more likely Fields plays like last year than like his rookie year. There is no precedent I can think of where a player played like crap 2 years in a row and then an elbow surgery fixed their stroke, so I'm just playing the odds. I'd give a 10% chance Fields can get his 3's back above 30%. Seems like you give it a 90% chance. I think Fields is a horrible fit in any starting lineup because his shooting is awful. Until he proves he can shoot he isn't a better fit with Gay. Currently, DD is a better shooter from just about everywhere on the floor, including 3.
He made All-Rookie first team, and he beat out players like Paul George and Eric Bledsoe. But whatever.Twitter - @thekid_it
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isaacthompson wrote: View PostDecent?
He made All-Rookie first team, and he beat out players like Paul George and Eric Bledsoe. But whatever.
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If Fields proves he can start that's one thing, but to give him that role by trading Demar before he earns that spot, and not replacing Demar with a better player is ridiculous. Too many ifs with Landry. This isn't even worth debating until we can get a better grasp of what Fields is post surgery.
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blackjitsu wrote: View PostIf Fields proves he can start that's one thing, but to give him that role by trading Demar before he earns that spot, and not replacing Demar with a better player is ridiculous. Too many ifs with Landry. This isn't even worth debating until we can get a better grasp of what Fields is post surgery.
The five best players is not always the best lineup.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostWin shares through theNBAGeek.com and net OffRtg/DefRtg through stats.nba.com say differently -even injured.
The five best players is not always the best lineup.
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Puffer wrote: View PostAs an example, Harden coming off the bench worked pretty well. Derozan coming off the bench might be awesome if the Raos had a decent PG as a backup.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostWin shares through theNBAGeek.com and net OffRtg/DefRtg through stats.nba.com say differently -even injured.
The five best players is not always the best lineup.
Also, Demar played a lot more with AB than Fields did. He also played during the worst stretch of the season while Fields was injured. Simply using these two stats in a vacuum does not tell the whole story. I'm not saying that you're wrong but I would need something significantly more in depth than that (using situational data, video based analytical data, etc) to come to any conclusion.
For instance, for all of his poor individual stats the defensive ranking of the starting lineup was extremely high. That could be for a number of reasons. One could argue that it proves that the wing spots work well together guarding players. But again, that stat doesn't tell the whole story. I want to know the whole story. To me that includes finding out what a healthy Landry Fields looks like on the court.
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Raptors should not trade Demar and start Landry because "theNBAGeek.com and net OffRtg/DefRtg through stats.nba.com" say it's a good idea. Point finale. I just find that ridiculous. Lets see how Landry does next season before this is even brought up again.You come at the King, you best not miss.
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This thread sucks. So many UNREALISTIC what if scenarios. So many unrealistic trade suggestions.
Let's be real here. Do you guys really think DeRozan is going anywhere? the guy just signed a 4 year extension 7 months ago. If they move him, do you guys really think the Raptors will be a better team next season? or get a great package or young player in return? i don't think so.
Second, do you guys really think the Raps will just let Gay walk away or use him as a trade chip? really? he's the best player they've had since CHRIS BOSH. Best winger they've had by far since VINCE CARTER. Yeah trade him. Shaking my head right now.
Like it or not, this is the core of the team: JV, Gay, DeRozan, Lowry, Amir and Ross. I'd like to see what this current group of guys can do in a full season before i make any move.Mamba Mentality
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