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brothersteve wrote: View PostTyler Hansbrough is someone you could consider trading for a lottery pick - but again - no good reason to bother as you'd be lucky to end up with a player as good 3 years from now
brothersteve wrote: View PostA lot of these trade "suggestions" floating around right now really come under the heading of - Why would you do that exactly? How does that make this team better? You're going to get a franchise changer with a late lotto pick? Really?
I like the keep him idea
This team sucks. You might as well try and do something.
2) You're going to get a franchise changer with a late lotto pick? Really?
In the last 15 years
Dirk Nowitzki (9)
Paul Pierce (10)
Shawn Marion (9)
Ron Artest (16)
Joe Johnson (10)
Zach Randolph (19)
Amare Stoudemire (9)
David West (18)
Andre Iguodala (9)
Al Jefferson (15)
Josh Smith (17)
Andrew Bynum (10)
Danny Granger (17)
Rudy Gay (8)
Joakim Noah (9)
Brook Lopez (10)
Roy Hibbert (17)
Steph Curry (7)
Jrue Holiday (17)
Ty Lawson (18)
Paul George (10)
Eric Bledsoe (18)
Klay Thompson (11)
Kwahi Leonard (15)
Andre Drummond (9)
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knowledgep wrote: View PostAmen, if woj reports it, it's legit
"Clinging to the eighth playoff spot in the Eastern Conference, losers of six of their last seven games, the predictable calls of "blow it up" begin again now.
Here's the reality: No one in the NBA is waiting with a fistful of talented young players and draft picks for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. No one mortgages franchise futures for aging thirty-something stars. Yes, "let's blow it up and start over" sounds noble in theory, but mostly leaves franchises in a hazy state of disarray for years to come."
Is it the "No one mortgages franchise futures for aging thirty-something stars" part, or the "Yes, "let's blow it up and start over" sounds noble in theory, but mostly leaves franchises in a hazy state of disarray for years to come." part that's legit, or both?
Or would further comments from the same article convince doubters that whatever Woj says is legit:
" Nevertheless, the financial reality of the NBA has changed the way franchises have to inspect the trading away of assets for futures. When the lottery balls don't deliver LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Derrick Rose, rebuilding can be a long, painful and expensive process........ These Celtics owners had years of bad lottery teams and the empty luxury suites and arena seats that come with it "
Or
"This is a different day, a different era, a different financial landscape in the NBA. No one gives up packages of good young players and draft picks for All-Stars in the advanced stages of careers now. Those days are gone."
Or
""Blow it up" sounds great on the barstool, but this is a different reality in the NBA, a different day."
Hmmm, doesn't sound like he's got an accurate finger on the pulse of the NBA all the time, but how about his opinion on the "blow-it-up" barstool talk leading to years and years of misery most of the time?
We gotta trust in Woj!!!
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Letter N wrote: View PostI want what you're drinking.
1) How does it make this team better?
This team sucks. You might as well try and do something.
2) You're going to get a franchise changer with a late lotto pick? Really?
In the last 15 years
Dirk Nowitzki (9)
Paul Pierce (10)
Shawn Marion (9)
Ron Artest (16)
Joe Johnson (10)
Zach Randolph (19)
Amare Stoudemire (9)
David West (18)
Andre Iguodala (9)
Al Jefferson (15)
Josh Smith (17)
Andrew Bynum (10)
Danny Granger (17)
Rudy Gay (8)
Joakim Noah (9)
Brook Lopez (10)
Roy Hibbert (17)
Steph Curry (7)
Jrue Holiday (17)
Ty Lawson (18)
Paul George (10)
Eric Bledsoe (18)
Klay Thompson (11)
Kwahi Leonard (15)
Andre Drummond (9)
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Jamshid wrote: View PostSo your hope for TOP 10 player in draft in 3 years is Amir Johnson ... So where are the stars of this league drafted ?? Aren't they drafted in top 10 ?? Guy like AI, Curry, ...
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Letter N wrote: View PostI want what you're drinking.
1) How does it make this team better?
This team sucks. You might as well try and do something.
2) You're going to get a franchise changer with a late lotto pick? Really?
In the last 15 years
Dirk Nowitzki (9)
Paul Pierce (10)
Shawn Marion (9)
Ron Artest (16)
Joe Johnson (10)
Zach Randolph (19)
Amare Stoudemire (9)
David West (18)
Andre Iguodala (9)
Al Jefferson (15)
Josh Smith (17)
Andrew Bynum (10)
Danny Granger (17)
Rudy Gay (8)
Joakim Noah (9)
Brook Lopez (10)
Roy Hibbert (17)
Steph Curry (7)
Jrue Holiday (17)
Ty Lawson (18)
Paul George (10)
Eric Bledsoe (18)
Klay Thompson (11)
Kwahi Leonard (15)
Andre Drummond (9)
If you wanna talk numbers, and percentages on gambles.... you aint' winning this one, especially when the total package you get with Amir is as good or better than a large number of the player you have listed there.
post of the month my ass... hahahaha
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Jamshid wrote: View PostPost of the MONTH !!!! Next we will hear that Amir is better than these guys ... Seriously, the problem with this franchise is the delusional fans ... You will never hear Laker fans come out and say Nick Young is what you hope your top 10 draft pick becomes in 3 years just because Nick Young is scoring like a man on fire in this crappy laker team now.
Bet I win.
You're an mean person too.
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Craig wrote: View PostHey buddy, why don't you list all tehe top 15 picks over the last 10-12 years that suck. The list is much larger. Your dramatic effect looks nice, but it holds absolutely......... zip.
If you wanna talk numbers, and percentages on gambles.... you aint' winning this one, especially when the total package you get with Amir is as good or better than a large number of the player you have listed there.
post of the month my ass... hahahaha
One cannot give us only the successes without giving us the sample size.
Given the list, the range is picks 8-18 (11 picks), and given 15 years. (15 * 11) We have 165 players. I only counted 25 names on that list making a 'success' proportion of: 25/165 = 15.2%
Trade Amir for a 15% chance at any player on that list? No. Never.The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
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enlightenment wrote: View PostYeah I am on Craigs side, the argument fails if for every Paul George there was a Patrick O'Bryant.
One cannot give us only the successes without giving us the sample size.
Given the list, the range is picks 8-18 (11 picks), and given 15 years. (15 * 11) We have 165 players. I only counted 25 names on that list making a 'success' proportion of: 25/165 = 15.2%
Trade Amir for a 15% chance at any player on that list? No. Never.
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themasao wrote: View PostPeople are saying they would be ecstatic to get a 5-10 range pick or even a 10-15 pick in exchange for Johnson (some even less, but I'll ignore that for now). Just to put some perspective on the top 10 pick rhetoric:
It's generally agreed that this is the best draft class since 2003, but not as good a draft class as 2003. If you had had a 5-10 pick in 2003 you would have got one of the following 5 players: Dwayne Wade, Chris Kaman, Kirk Hinrich, TJ Ford, Michael Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes.
Only one of those players is currently better than Amir, and its debatable to whether any have ever been as good as Amir is now (never been a huge fan of Kaman but you could maybe make the argument).
If you expand to look at the 10-15 picks you're looking at: Jarvis Hayes, Mikael Pietrus, Nick Collison, Marcus Banks, Luke Ridnour or Reece Gains.
So of the 5 - 15 picks that you all covet so much, in a draft that everyone admits is at most as good as this one, you are likely to get ONE PLAYER better than Amir. That's a 10% chance, but really, it's much worse than that, because only a top 5 pick would have secured you that player.
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Letter N wrote: View PostIs your goal for this team to "not suck" or to be "great"?
Nope. You don't trade the guy, unless its for a VERY high pick (unlikely) or a KNOWN commodity.
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