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JawsGT wrote: View PostI don't disagree, it's the black hole idea that some of the media guys are still labelling him with that bugs me. He doesn't deserve that, I think we can all agree with that. But I would also like to see him shoot more along the lines of what the analytics suggests, more three's and shots at the rim. I don't mind an occasional long two coming off a screen or something like that, but off the bounce is a no-no for me. Leave those for Wade and Kobe. Off the bounce should be limited to foul line type distance pull-ups or closer IMO, or post ups if that counts as off the bounce.
Near the end of a shot clock, if the raptors offence breaks down, it's derozan who has to create something out of nothing. Very few players can actually consistently score in these situations, and most of the ones that can are superstars. That's why we need a legit superstar here so HE can take those shots and DeMar can focus on what he does best which is being a complementary scorer within the offence.
If that happened you might see more games like the one the other night where dd scored 25 on 13 shots.
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iblastoff wrote: View PostI don't know why that would be any different than the way he was 2nd/3rd option in Memphis though. Unless stats are finally starting to matter for him and he was tired of the entire league making a joke of his 18 points per 1000000 shots run.
Btw Marc gasol is not in the same stratosphere as cousins as a scorer.
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The most interesting thing about where we are at right now is that you can easily justify trading DD and Lowry because of their trade value today. At the same time, I am a HUGE believe in point differential being an indication of how your team is playing (not THE indication, but AN indication). You can really see the diamonds in the rough. Strength of schedule also tells a huge story.
At this point, with Horford's injury, 3rd in the conference is not out of the question. Is it that unbelievable to think that we are actually the 3rd best team in the East? Playing a team like Washington in the first round of the playoffs....i don't know...as a fan, it's pretty tempting
Ultimately, I think that Masai's plan of asking teams for basically LOPSIDED trades only is a great one (like what he did with the knicks). If they take them we win big. If they don't, our team is still better.
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Nosike wrote: View PostYou have never provided evidence. You have no damn clue what you're talking about.
Instead, you are a repeated homer who keeps saying that DD has 'drastically improved' and stuff while providing absolutely no statistical or skillset/play style evidence.
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostIn other threads I have had disagreements with you where I have used statistical data and broke down his skillset/play styleas to why he isn't that good of a player. If you can't remember I'm not going to even bother trying again because you obviously don't want to listen to logic when talking about DD
Instead, you are a repeated homer who keeps saying that DD has 'drastically improved' and stuff while providing absolutely no statistical or skillset/play style evidence.
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saints91 wrote: View PostAre you actually saying that DD has not improved over the years? Also, was he not a better player (more efficient player) with Rudy in the line up? DD has improved this season it doesn't take much to see that. DeMar shouldn't be #1 option nor is he paid to be. When he is forced to be the go to guy and play large minutes he is not as effective. He's a building block, not the answer.
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saints91 wrote: View PostAre you actually saying that DD has not improved over the years? Also, was he not a better player (more efficient player) with Rudy in the line up? DD has improved this season it doesn't take much to see that. DeMar shouldn't be #1 option nor is he paid to be. When he is forced to be the go to guy and play large minutes he is not as effective. He's a building block, not the answer.
BUT, if you think DD is a part of the futureIf and not as a number 1 option, then we need to look at his ability to play off the ball effectively when he doesn't have a play run for him. Unfortunately he has proven awful at it,which is why we see him completely disappear from the game when the plays aren't run for him. As a #2 or #3 he also needs to be a good catch and shoot player from 3 (which he isn't) or he needs to be able to create for himself or others (which he doesn't). I wish the best for him, but I don't see him as being a major part/starter of a conference finals team (which imo is under the definition of competing for a championship)
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saints91 wrote: View PostI'm not saying he's untouchable, but he carries more value than most are giving him credit for.
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Nosike wrote: View PostAgain, derozan has to take those shots because he's the number one scoring option on the team. If he wasn't he could focus more on corner threes and only shooting when he can get all the way to the basket.
Near the end of a shot clock, if the raptors offence breaks down, it's derozan who has to create something out of nothing. Very few players can actually consistently score in these situations, and most of the ones that can are superstars. That's why we need a legit superstar here so HE can take those shots and DeMar can focus on what he does best which is being a complementary scorer within the offence.
If that happened you might see more games like the one the other night where dd scored 25 on 13 shots.
That leaves the SG and SF spot. Ross is too small to play SF against good teams and he is the better 3 point shooter already. In time he will be the better defender as well. No reason why his mid range game can't improve to DeMar's level, so if you slide Ross into the SG spot and go looking for an eliteish SF DD is the odd man out. If you continue to play the smaller Ross at at SF, he is still the better shooter so you need to find an elite SG and once again DD is the odd man out. Every angle I look at this roster it looks like DD occupies the position where we need to upgrade.
Nets are gonna have to blow if up sooner or later. Would DD, and parts for Joe Johnson make sense?
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Mediumcore wrote: View Post
Nets are gonna have to blow if up sooner or later. Would DD, and parts for Joe Johnson make sense?
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MangoKid wrote: View PostNot a fan of giving Joe Johnson 48 million over the next 2 seasons. I'm sure the Nets would do DeRozan and spare parts for Johnson in a heartbeat, but I hope Ujiri doesn't even consider it.
Nobody is going to hand Toronto an elite player that is worth his contract, so we at some point may need to take a chance/ over pay.
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