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waaait. so the playoffs don't reseed? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
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CashGameND wrote: View PostPLUS. I've been looking at this mostly from a Raptors fan perspective. What about the Heat who finished 54-28. They have to play a team that was 48-34 instead of a 38-44 team. In my mind that doesn't make any sense. yes they pulled off an upset, but they played TERRIBLE in the regular season & deserve an insanely hard road to the finals. The Hawks were 38-44 & could face the #5 seed to get to the conference finals. The Heat had a phenomenal record & deserve the easier road through the playoffs, they earned it all year long (not just in 1 series)
Atlanta beating the #1 seed doesn't mean Miami isn't getting rewarded. If anything, Miami avoids a hot team that just dismantled a great team. Sounds like a reward to me.
Indiana's regular season record rewarded them with home court up until the Finals. Atlanta beating them rewards Atlanta by essentially stealing Indy's path to the finals (completely fair). However, they don't steal Indy's home court advantage (would be unfair).
Seeds should only dictate first round matchups and homecourt advantage the rest of the way.
Teams aren't jockeying to finish 8th because of a possible second round advantage.There's math, and everything else is debatable.
@clericalbeats
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RaptorsFohEva wrote: View PostBut if you're in a 4/5 seed matchup, you're facing someone who did just as well or almost as well as you did, so it would not be necessarily an easy matchup.Last edited by CashGameND; Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:16 AM.
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RobertArchibald wrote: View PostYou don't seem to be paying attention to the logic here. Atlanta does have an insanely hard road to the finals. They have to beat the best record in the East that took place over this 82 game regular season you keep harping on.
Atlanta beating the #1 seed doesn't mean Miami isn't getting rewarded. If anything, Miami avoids a hot team that just dismantled a great team. Sounds like a reward to me.
Indiana's regular season record rewarded them with home court up until the Finals. Atlanta beating them rewards Atlanta by essentially stealing Indy's path to the finals (completely fair). However, they don't steal Indy's home court advantage (would be unfair).
Seeds should only dictate first round matchups and homecourt advantage the rest of the way.
Teams aren't jockeying to finish 8th because of a possible second round advantage.
I'll agree to disagree with everyone on RR then it seems. Surprised nobody even sees my logic of earning it in the regular season being more valid then having 1 upset in the playoffs.
as i keep saying it keeps coming down to comparing what you value more. a 1st round win, or the value of a full season. (imo, its allot easier to pull off a playoff upset then it is to earn your high rank over an 82 game season).
- and yes i get that the higher ranks still get home court advantage. But the fact that its even possible the wizards could face the hawks (a 5 and 8 seed) to get to the conference finals, to me is a joke.
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nubreed000 wrote: View Post1) Playing Miami is vastly better for Toronto in every possible way.
2) Reseeding is a dumb idea, for all the reasons listed in this thread already.
I like your confidence though, hope your right (heat are easier matchup).
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Letter N wrote: View PostPeople know there's no reseeding in the NHL anymore either, right?Last edited by CashGameND; Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:58 AM.
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CashGameND wrote: View PostPlaying Miami is better then facing Washington? I'd have to disagree. I know the Heat have played bad down the stretch, but just based on track record alone against those 2 teams this season, and likely the last few seasons, I think the Raptors would much rather face the Wizards.
I like your confidence though, hope your right (heat are easier matchup).
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nubreed000 wrote: View PostMy reasoning has nothing to do with actual chances of moving to the ECF, but with the benefits that would come from playing a 2 time championship team. Much more valuable experience plus a bigger spotlight. We'd get so much exposure from US media
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1st round seeding is the reward for regular season play.
2nd round matchups are the reward for 1st round play.
Atlanta example:
1st round: barely made the playoffs, so they have to play the 'best' team in the conference (ie: hardest matchup)
2nd round: upsetting the best team should have an associated reward, which is essentially assuming the path of the team they beat. Reseeding would be a slap in the face for their first round upset.
Maintaining the integrity of the bracket is based on the assumption that the better teams from the regular season would win the matchups they're supposed to, essentially 'holding serve' (to borrow a tennis term).
Miami's path as the #2 seed is set, giving them the 2nd easiest potential path to the finals. If Atlanta upsets the #1 seed, it should really have no bearing on Miami's path, to either make it easier or harder. Eventually they'd have to meet in the conference finals, should the 'better' playoff teams (ie: #2 seed and team that beat the #1 seed) continue their winning ways.
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CashGameND wrote: View PostI think the team that earns their ranking over the course of an 82 game season has done way more to get the better placement in round 2 then the team that did well for one 7 game series.
CashGameND wrote: View PostAs for the comment about conferences. Reseeding amongst conference still makes sense because you build your rivalries in a conference. You play the majority of your games vs other teams in your conference & then battle it out with them to get to the finals. If you had a league format where everybody played every team an equal amount of games then I'd agree on just reseeding the entire league, but leagues don't build themselves like that in order to build rivalries amongst both the teams & fan bases. And also for fan familiarity, to become more familiar with the 16 teams in your conference better, you have better knowledge of the teams/players you are facing & you are more intrigued with the matchup. If you played vs a team you only saw 2 times all year it wouldn't be as intriguing playing a team that you don't know as much about & don't have much of a history or rivalry against.
So there's no way Dallas, who did better than us by winning 49 games, should get to face the overall best team. This does not reward their brilliant 82 game season. And you could go on with the rivalry thing, I would raise this sole point every time.
For the record, I am not in favor of killing conferences, I am just trying to show that you are arguing based on one single idea, and you're putting it on the table again and again.
And I don't known what other posters think, but for me upsetting a #1 seed in a 7 game serie in the playoffs is NOT easier than ranking #1 or #2 during the regular season. It is a different kind if performance. But playoffs basketball is sooooo much more intense and a 7 game serie is sooo long that the team that gets out of it is the better team. No room for luck or random. If the Hawks kick the Pacers out, props to the Hawks: this will be a major accomplishment.
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