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JawsGT wrote: View PostMaybe, maybe not, but it was clear he elevated his game in the playoffs. Playoff JV was much better than regular season JV. He deserves credit for that if for no other reason than he was perhaps the only player on the roster that actually did it.
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planetmars wrote: View PostJV was the only player that had a better WS/48 in the playoffs than in the regular season. Although he only played 12 games compared to the 20 everyone else practically played. It's really too bad that he got hurt.
In any event, the attention that JV draws as a roll man in the PnR should not be overlooked in helping Demar and Lowry get decent scoring chances.
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special1 wrote: View PostPeople keep bringing up his performances in the playoffs......And for the record I agree he played really well.
However, lets remember the following:
(The Pacers) didn't even have a real Center. They were starting Ian Mihinmi and playing a rookie (Miles Turner) as their Center in crunch time most of the time. That was a matchup JV was supposed to dominate!
(The Heat) Whiteside was hobbled the whole time and they had no one else (Haslem and Stoudemire - lol) so JV was supposed to dominate there as well.
Are we really surprised he dominated, given the matchups/competition at the Center position?
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planetmars wrote: View PostThe idea of trading JV is melding into all his different threads, but I'd like to just quickly point out that trading JV for a PF is not likely... at least not an all-star caliber PF. Most teams that have an all-star caliber PF don't need a center. Howard, Jordan, Gobert, Vucevic/Biz, Gasol, etc.. There is always the option of bringing in a 3rd team, but that just then makes it complicated.
Personally I just don't see Masai trading away JV. He's good in his role even if its limited. And he's been crazy good in the playoffs. It's not like his salary is getting in the way of anything either.
This team is better off continuing to develop on their current trend and hoping to peak for the playoffs. Everything Masai has done to this point suggest that's the path he'll take, anyway."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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Re: jv in the playoffs.
Last yr it was Kyle's team and he is so-so at hitting the roll man. This yr it is demar team and he is not good at it. Kyle can play inside out with jv, demar can't (although apparently he hits 3s now!? So stay tuned).
Jv can be used on offense but let's see if Casey commits to it (how many yrs has it been?).
One thing for certain, he must be used on defence and that's the rub. We have two good front line defenders, one of which is 220lbs and 325 or so career mins. I'm discounting Sully and yak for now.
Anyway, our guards/wings can score in different ways. They do allow penetration to varying degrees (except norm). Nice to have biz or bebe back there imo.
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JV is an interesting all-round center.
1. Above average rebounding: you have the rebounding all-stars who score 21-22 rebounds/48 minutes playing time: Andre Drummond, Tyson Chandler, Hassan Whiteside and Dwight Howard. JV is part of the second tier of solid rebounders who do 17 rebounds/48.
2. Above average scoring: Then you have the scoring all-stars who get 30+ points/48 minutes: Joel Embiid, DeMarcus Cousins, Brook Lopez, Enes Kanter. JV is part of the second tier of solid scorers who get 22 points/48, along with people like Andre Drummond.
3. Stunning free throw shooting: JV is a complete standout when it comes to free throws. I can't find a comparable centre: even an Enes Kanter only shoots 75% to JV's 85%. Others are typically around 60%. And JV gets to the line at a comparable rate.
So here are some comparables. JV is like a cross between Drummond (not as good a rebounder), Gobert (not as good a rim protector) and Kanter (doesn't shoot as much), only with better free throw shooting.
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special1 wrote: View PostPeople keep bringing up his performances in the playoffs......And for the record I agree he played really well.
However, lets remember the following:
(The Pacers) didn't even have a real Center. They were starting Ian Mihinmi and playing a rookie (Miles Turner) as their Center in crunch time most of the time. That was a matchup JV was supposed to dominate!
(The Heat) Whiteside was hobbled the whole time and they had no one else (Haslem and Stoudemire - lol) so JV was supposed to dominate there as well.
Are we really surprised he dominated, given the matchups/competition at the Center position?
If your boy Demar had done that, you'd be tooting his horn from the rooftops."Stay steamy"
- Kobe
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hotfuzz wrote: View Postexcuses excuses.
If your boy Demar had done that, you'd be tooting his horn from the rooftops.
Demar is playing like Jordan right now.......Take that in.
We're still waiting for JV to break out. He's a Raptor so I'm rooting for him. But last year's playoffs is last season.....Excuses excuses.
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Super random post bump I know, but I was watching the Pels-Griz game tonight (and drinking) and it got me thinking about the whole JV career path. I really think that the big man has been so minimalized in the modern game, that it's truely hard for a big man to impact the box score enough for most fans to notice. JV has certainly carved out a solid NBA career, and feels like a success compared to many big men chosen in the lottery of the draft over the years, but the NBA really seems to be more and more focus on perimeter players. Guys like Ja Morant, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jamal Murray, Steph Curry, they are the drivers of the league, with the real exceptions of Jokic and (maybe) Embiid, most bigs are relegated to tertiary status. Even super talented guys like KAT don't seem to be difference makers anymore compared to perimeter guys.
Will the NBA act like a pendulum and we see the resurgence of inside bigs, or is the evolution of the NBA really pushing further away from the hoop and perhaps the next big leap is if the NBA adopts a 4 point spot (NBA Jam style)? It's a mind boggling problem that NBA execs and the coaches of today and future must ponder.
So what will be the next "thing" in NBA?
I would love to see a defensive resurgence, but I doubt the NBA is going to open up rules enough for that since dunks and 3s make for better highlights than closeouts and boxouts on rotation. What is next and what would you like to see as next?Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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Axel wrote: View PostSuper random post bump I know, but I was watching the Pels-Griz game tonight (and drinking) and it got me thinking about the whole JV career path. I really think that the big man has been so minimalized in the modern game, that it's truely hard for a big man to impact the box score enough for most fans to notice. JV has certainly carved out a solid NBA career, and feels like a success compared to many big men chosen in the lottery of the draft over the years, but the NBA really seems to be more and more focus on perimeter players. Guys like Ja Morant, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jamal Murray, Steph Curry, they are the drivers of the league, with the real exceptions of Jokic and (maybe) Embiid, most bigs are relegated to tertiary status. Even super talented guys like KAT don't seem to be difference makers anymore compared to perimeter guys.
Will the NBA act like a pendulum and we see the resurgence of inside bigs, or is the evolution of the NBA really pushing further away from the hoop and perhaps the next big leap is if the NBA adopts a 4 point spot (NBA Jam style)? It's a mind boggling problem that NBA execs and the coaches of today and future must ponder.
So what will be the next "thing" in NBA?
I would love to see a defensive resurgence, but I doubt the NBA is going to open up rules enough for that since dunks and 3s make for better highlights than closeouts and boxouts on rotation. What is next and what would you like to see as next?
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Axel wrote: View PostSuper random post bump I know, but I was watching the Pels-Griz game tonight (and drinking) and it got me thinking about the whole JV career path. I really think that the big man has been so minimalized in the modern game, that it's truely hard for a big man to impact the box score enough for most fans to notice. JV has certainly carved out a solid NBA career, and feels like a success compared to many big men chosen in the lottery of the draft over the years, but the NBA really seems to be more and more focus on perimeter players. Guys like Ja Morant, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jamal Murray, Steph Curry, they are the drivers of the league, with the real exceptions of Jokic and (maybe) Embiid, most bigs are relegated to tertiary status. Even super talented guys like KAT don't seem to be difference makers anymore compared to perimeter guys.
Will the NBA act like a pendulum and we see the resurgence of inside bigs, or is the evolution of the NBA really pushing further away from the hoop and perhaps the next big leap is if the NBA adopts a 4 point spot (NBA Jam style)? It's a mind boggling problem that NBA execs and the coaches of today and future must ponder.
So what will be the next "thing" in NBA?
I would love to see a defensive resurgence, but I doubt the NBA is going to open up rules enough for that since dunks and 3s make for better highlights than closeouts and boxouts on rotation. What is next and what would you like to see as next?
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