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DogeLover1234 wrote: View Post
imo that puts you farther away. Outside of the first overall pick, situation is more relevant for picks than draft number. Outside the truly "can't miss" which is generally between 0-2 everyone has some level of talent and its a matter of development. There is definitely a drop off somewhere in the mid first, but the difference 2-15 is mostly hype. Its got to be a real good return to trade Lowry. Does the team culture and toughness stick around without Lowry's leadership and play? Idk, and I don't think you can put that back together overnight.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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big boi wrote: View Post
Agreed, not that bad. But trading Lowry for youth / picks will put us firmly in the lottery in what is apparently a strong draft.
And no, I don't think Lowry is coming back in FA either. He's made it abundantly clear that he's all in on players getting everything they can and he'll explore that for himself. No way should the Raps over pay for him, and I think that's what he'll want if he can't find a better win-now situation.Last edited by G__Deane; Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:56 PM.
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S.R. wrote: View Post
Nobody's making excuses and nobody has said the current play is okay.
The current team is relatively inexperienced but has talent. In 2 offseasons basically every experienced vet other than Lowry has left this team. Kawhi/Green/Gasol/Ibaka all gone. Half the championship player rotation. Replaced by inexperienced guys in leadership roles for the first time at the NBA level.
It's nice that you're a real fan because you demand they win 70% of their games NOW. The coaching staff has been pretty clear they're developing these guys by putting them in challenging spots - spots they may not be good in now but they all want to be good in in the future. They want Siakam to be able to get iso buckets. They want Fred to be able to run the offence. They want Norm to close games. They want OG to shoot more and score off the bounce. And getting there takes reps. And you take your lumps while putting in those reps.
Exactly zero people in that franchise are satisfied with mediocrity. Ditto for the fans.
This is one of the WORST lines of thinking of the tank debates. "I'm a REAL fan, I DEMAND winning, but go ahead and be a proponent of mediocrity if you see things in any way differently than I do."
Being impatient all you want won't change the fact that developing players and teams takes time. Toddler fandom won't change that.
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Look at this. They're NOT even double teaming him. And Lonzo is what? 6'5? Siakam can't even post up a 6'5 guard. Instead of going up, Siakam decided to pass the ball to Baynes who was in a tough situation, Baynes ended up turning the ball over. Look at Siakam's expression/body language. That's on you dude smh. This guy needs to go.
Also, dude fouled out with 8 mins left in the game. If you look at all his 6 fouls, they were all lazy fouls. He's not just playing like a dummy on offense, he's also playing like a dummy on defense.Mamba Mentality
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DogeLover1234 wrote: View Post
imo that puts you farther away. Outside of the first overall pick, situation is more relevant for picks than draft number. Outside the truly "can't miss" which is generally between 0-2 everyone has some level of talent and its a matter of development. There is definitely a drop off somewhere in the mid first, but the difference 2-15 is mostly hype. Its got to be a real good return to trade Lowry. Does the team culture and toughness stick around without Lowry's leadership and play? Idk, and I don't think you can put that back together overnight.
I trust Masai's drafting ability and Masai has a better chance of picking the player he wants with a higher pick than with a lower pick. If we trade Lowry we could have a 2nd pick in the draft perhaps, where Masai can try to add another rotation player.
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The glut in smalls is easy to fix with our shallow depth at pf just slide OG in pf and have siakam off the bench. We need to re-ignite bench mob. Its what made this team for years now. Siakam could flourish with the bench. Good bench play also puts pressure on the starters to step up.
something like...
lowry 32/ flynn 16
fred 30/ matt 18
norm 24/ TD 24
OG 24/ Siakam 24
Len 20/ Bouch 20/ Baynes 8
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
Baynes seems not just lost, but also low basketball IQ and robotic. I'm all for swapping him out for Len, but Boucher has been the best C overall.
Siakam though...disaster so far. Put Thomas out there and it's a lot harder double team Siakam, but Nurse isn't budging right now.
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Yuri Gagarin wrote: View PostThe glut in smalls is easy to fix with our shallow depth at pf just slide OG in pf and have siakam off the bench. We need to re-ignite bench mob. Its what made this team for years now. Siakam could flourish with the bench. Good bench play also puts pressure on the starters to step up.
something like...
lowry 32/ flynn 16
fred 30/ matt 18
norm 24/ TD 24
OG 24/ Siakam 24
Len 20/ Bouch 20/ Baynes 8
Short term they just need Siakam to play better. All of the other stuff will sort itself out.
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The Great One wrote: View PostLook at this. They're NOT even double teaming him. And Lonzo is what? 6'5? Siakam can't even post up a 6'5 guard. Instead of going up, Siakam decided to pass the ball to Baynes who was in a tough situation, Baynes ended up turning the ball over. Look at Siakam's expression/body language. That's on you dude smh. This guy needs to go.
Also, dude fouled out with 8 mins left in the game. If you look at all his 6 fouls, they were all lazy fouls. He's not just playing like a dummy on offense, he's also playing like a dummy on defense.
This guy is so freaking SoFT!!!#$%^
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
Does Lowry stay after this season though? You risk losing him for nothing.
That being said, what deals are out there? How many teams can trade for a 30 mill guy and are they really givig good draft equity?
Its fair that a higher selection its a higher chance you get your guy - but its not a guarentee. Maybe it just comes down to perspective, middle of the pack isnt a death sentence if your foundation is strong and I believe ours is.
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