2015 Raptors Offseason - Everything rumors, musings and rumblings

[JWash]

Not enough "ball" to go around to Lowry+DD+LA

One HAS to go

If our lineup was Curry/DeRozan/Kawhi/Love/Jonas, you would probably still say DD has to go.

Plenty of teams do well with 3 guys that handle the ball...

[JWash]

I agree that you have to have confidence in yourself to take any kind of shot. To want to shoot the ball in any situation. However anyway you look at it, and the statistics don't lie, but contested shots success rate are always going to be lower than an open shot. But i wasn't trying to say that.

I was suggesting that when you are the primary option as a scorer on a team, it's difficult to take a lesser role when scoring. Just look at when Andre miller after leading the Nuggets for so long was told to come off the bench. There was a mental affect. It didn't sit well with him and he eventually asked to be traded. Now i'm not suggesting Derozan is going to ask to be traded but its going to affect him a little mentally if LMA chooses to come to Toronto. Although this possibility is still unlikely.

Dude if Dwyane Wade can take a relegation from 1st option to 2nd option, so can DD.

[DogeLover1234]

If our lineup was Curry/DeRozan/Kawhi/Love/Jonas, you would probably still say DD has to go.

Plenty of teams do well with 3 guys that handle the ball...

Dude you have to admit that a dd/la combo would be an awkward fit. Honestly a guy like mathews or middleton would be a better fit as a potential 2/3 option.

[JWash]

Dude you have to admit that a dd/la combo would be an awkward fit. Honestly a guy like mathews or middleton would be a better fit as a potential 2/3 option.

Or it would be lethal in the pick & roll or pick & pop...

Like... DeRozan gets very, very little credit from some of you.

- He wouldn't fit on a shooting team like the Warriors because he can't shoot (even though wouldn't they space the floor for him to slash?)

- He can't fit on a team that has ball-handlers, because he can't score off the ball (even though he scores better as a finisher off cuts/screens/transition than in iso situations, which is why he shot 47% his 2nd year because that's primarily what he did).

- He can't fit on a team that has pieces that should logically fit next to him, because he's a pylon on defense (even though he's a good team defender, effective in passing lanes and has top-level size for his position).

- He can't fit on a team that encourages ball movement like Atlanta, because he's not an effective passer (even though he's shown that he IS an effective passer, and would likely be even more effective as one in a team that emphasizes moving the ball).

Not to mention he can't do any of the following:
- Shoot
- Play defense
- Dribble
- Pass
- Play unselfishly
- Be humble enough to be a #2 option

So at this point I'm wondering how he's even in the NBA?

[JWash]

I mean if I want to, I can just ignore large aspects of the game and illegitimately try to argue that DeRozan is the worst starting SG in the league. Hell, you know what? Sounds like fun, let's do it!

ATLANTIC:
Knicks: Hardaway (last year, better shooter from 3, quicker on D)
Nets: Joe Johnson (abused him in the playoffs, nuff said)
Celtics: Evan Turner (close but I prefer Turner's d and ball handling skills)
Sixers: Robert Covington (better shooter and defender)

CENTRAL:
Cavs: Shumpert/JR (both are better, Shump better D, JR better 3 and more potential to have big scoring nights)
Bulls: Jimmy Butler (better D, better shot, better at driving, better everything)
Pistons: Caldwell-Pope (better shooter and ballhandler)
Bucks: Middleton (better shooter and defender)
Pacers: Rodney Stuckey (better ball handling, court vision and awareness, ability to guard 1s and 2s)

SOUTHEAST:
Heat: Dwyane Wade (duh)
Magic: Oladipo (way better defender and playmaker)
Wizards: Beal (way better shooter, ballhandler and defender)
Hawks: Korver (best 3pt shooter this side of Curry, DD can't compare to him)
Charlotte: Henderson (this has been discussed, but basically DD with better D)

PACIFIC:
Lakers: Kobe (his idol, better in every way, duh), would argue Nick Young is also better because of his shot
Clippers: JJ Redick (better shooter and defender, Crawford is also better than DD)
Suns: Knight (better playmaker, shooter and defender)
Kings: McLemore (better shooter and defender)
Warriors: Klay (better defender, shooter, playmaker, slasher, passer, everything)

SOUTHWEST:
Rockets: Harden (duh)
Spurs: Danny Green (better shooter and defender)
Mavs: Monta Ellis (DD with actual playmaking skills)
Grizzlies: Tony Allen (way better defender, lockdown)
Pelicans: Tyreke (like Monta, DD with actual playmaking skills)

NORTHWEST:
Thunder: Roberson (elite defender), Waiters is also a better playmaker and shooter
Wolves: Martin (better shooter, playmaker)
Nuggets: Afflalo (better defender and shooter and passer)
Blazers: Wes Matthews (better shooter, defender, playmaker, team guy)
Jazz: Hayward (better at every aspect of the game)

[Bear]

IMO, if we have the chance to have a team composed of Lowry/DeMar/Ross/LA/JV, we just can't be against that. It's just too good of a chance. We at least have to try it. Plus if we have PPat, JJ and De Colo coming off the bench, man, this team could be really good.

demar has to go, to poor of spacing.

team would be waaaaay better minus demar and added what you get from a trade of him, prefereably three point shooting and size at the sf spot

[charlesnba23]

Not enough "ball" to go around to Lowry+DD+LA

One HAS to go

...Why???

[Bear]

Or it would be lethal in the pick & roll or pick & pop...

Like... DeRozan gets very, very little credit from some of you.

- He wouldn't fit on a shooting team like the Warriors because he can't shoot (even though wouldn't they space the floor for him to slash?)

- He can't fit on a team that has ball-handlers, because he can't score off the ball (even though he scores better as a finisher off cuts/screens/transition than in iso situations, which is why he shot 47% his 2nd year because that's primarily what he did).

- He can't fit on a team that has pieces that should logically fit next to him, because he's a pylon on defense (even though he's a good team defender, effective in passing lanes and has top-level size for his position).

- He can't fit on a team that encourages ball movement like Atlanta, because he's not an effective passer (even though he's shown that he IS an effective passer, and would likely be even more effective as one in a team that emphasizes moving the ball).

Not to mention he can't do any of the following:
- Shoot
- Play defense
- Dribble
- Pass
- Play unselfishly
- Be humble enough to be a #2 option

So at this point I'm wondering how he's even in the NBA?

same way corey maghette was

[McRealistic]

LOOOL, a news about LA has become about bashing DD ...
There is a thread about 400+ pages. Limit your bashing there.

[charlesnba23]

demar has to go, to poor of spacing.

team would be waaaaay better minus demar and added what you get from a trade of him, prefereably three point shooting and size at the sf spot

I just don't understand this. We had 49 wins with Amir as our starting PF. Switching Amir with Aldridge DeMar suddenly doesn't fit anymore because he's not a 3 point specialist. I'm not with you on this at all

Plus any player you will get for DeMar that is going to be a SF is going to be a worse player than DeMar.

[TrueTorontoFan]

same way corey maghette was

He isn't corey magette because of the lack of injuries he has endured so stop with that comparison.

[Bear]

I just don't understand this. We had 49 wins with Amir as our starting PF. Switching Amir with Aldridge DeMar suddenly doesn't fit anymore because he's not a 3 point specialist. I'm not with you on this at all

Plus any player you will get for DeMar that is going to be a SF is going to be a worse player than DeMar.

how the hell do you figure that the sf would be worse than demar. that is homerism.

And demar didnt fit on last years team either

[JWash]

I just don't understand this. We had 49 wins with Amir as our starting PF. Switching Amir with Aldridge DeMar suddenly doesn't fit anymore because he's not a 3 point specialist. I'm not with you on this at all

Plus any player you will get for DeMar that is going to be a SF is going to be a worse player than DeMar.

Lol seriously, like I'm just trying to understand...

Memphis gets away with running Conley/Allen/Green/ZBo/Gasol. That's 3 guys in the lineup that cannot make a 3 to save their lives. Then you add on the fact that Green is just OK from 3, shoots a decent percentage but hardly makes any, and Conley is a little bit better. And they were arguably the 2nd best team in the Western Conference last year.

[Bear]

He isn't corey magette because of the lack of injuries he has endured so stop with that comparison.

he is corey magette, injuries aside.


we except that over his career Maggette was a better shooter, rebounder, better at getting to the line, was a better defender, scored more points on a per 36 basis, was a better defneder, had a higher win share, defensive win share and winshare/48 for his career. and he has a career net positive, where as demar has a career net negative.

but demar doesnt get injured as often, lucky us, that net negative performances would be surely missed.

[Bear]

Lol seriously, like I'm just trying to understand...

Memphis gets away with running Conley/Allen/Green/ZBo/Gasol. That's 3 guys in the lineup that cannot make a 3 to save their lives. Then you add on the fact that Green is just OK from 3, shoots a decent percentage but hardly makes any, and Conley is a little bit better. And they were arguably the 2nd best team in the Western Conference last year.

because gasol is way better than JV
Zbo is top 5 opf
allen is one of the best defensive players in the game
Conley is a great pog for their system