Everything Patrick McCaw

[planetmars]

really? to me it just seems like a brown replacement, and i don't think we could have done any better in that case. Who is available right now who has more NBA talent then McCaw?

Brown was a PG that had some range. McCaw is more of a combo guard that has no range. If we're looking for a replacement I'd want a guy who can shoot.

Not sure who specifically but if I couldn't find anyone I'd give Boucher a contract and find another 2-way. Boucher can actually shoot.

[DanH]

He *might* be replacing Norm though. Very similar player. Norm makes $9M more though and has 3 more years on his deal.

We could have done better as a Brown replacement if that's all he his.

By that argument he might be replacing Kawhi after Kawhi bolts.

McCaw won't get minutes over Norm, and if Norm is traded, whoever comes in for him will likely take his minutes (or CJ will). There are very few scenarios where I can envision McCaw taking over Norm's spot in the rotation.

You might be overselling the similarities there too...

[DanH]

Forgive me if this has been answered somewhere along the way...

Between cutting Brown and adding McCaw, does this move save any money? Or is it just a swap of who we gave a guaranteed deal to. ie. McCaw is getting $790,000 or whatever, with a tax bill of $2.5 mil (approx) ... Would we have had to pay Lorenzo more than that salary, 2 or 3 million or something, or is that what he would've got anyway?

Seeing as they HAD TO add another player to bring them up to 14 roster spots, I'm wondering if this turns out to be a cost saving move in the end or just a personnel move.

They saved essentially pennies because of the few days at a 13 man roster between Brown being waived and McCaw being signed (which hasn't technically happened yet). Not a cost saving move at all - just cost saving compared to simply adding a 15th man.

[bertarapsfan]

He *might* be replacing Norm though. Very similar player. Norm makes $9M more though and has 3 more years on his deal.

We could have done better as a Brown replacement if that's all he his.

really? to me it just seems like a brown replacement, and i don't think we could have done any better in that case. Who is available right now who has more NBA talent then McCaw?

[planetmars]

He's not replacing Fred or Delon. He's replacing Brown.

On the plus side Raptors actually develop their young players, and are big on internal growth. GSW are constantly in win now mode and don't invest in player development. Could PM develop into a Delon/FVV type player in a season or two?

He *might* be replacing Norm though. Very similar player. Norm makes $9M more though and has 3 more years on his deal.

We could have done better as a Brown replacement if that's all he his.

[GOLDBLUM]

Forgive me if this has been answered somewhere along the way...

Between cutting Brown and adding McCaw, does this move save any money? Or is it just a swap of who we gave a guaranteed deal to. ie. McCaw is getting $790,000 or whatever, with a tax bill of $2.5 mil (approx) ... Would we have had to pay Lorenzo more than that salary, 2 or 3 million or something, or is that what he would've got anyway?

Seeing as they HAD TO add another player to bring them up to 14 roster spots, I'm wondering if this turns out to be a cost saving move in the end or just a personnel move.

[bertarapsfan]

He's UFA right now (a team waiving a player never gets RFA rights), which is why the Raps can sign him. But he'll be RFA at the end of the year, because he's only played 3 seasons.

ah okay makes sense. thanks

[DanH]

Can he be a RFA this summer? it was my understandings that since the cavs singed him then released him he will now be a UFA?
the whole situation is really weird from McCaw side. i dont know how this works out better for him when he had a 4 million contract on the table in GSW.

He's UFA right now (a team waiving a player never gets RFA rights), which is why the Raps can sign him. But he'll be RFA at the end of the year, because he's only played 3 seasons.

[inthepaint]

He's not replacing Fred or Delon. He's replacing Brown.

On the plus side Raptors actually develop their young players, and are big on internal growth. GSW are constantly in win now mode and don't invest in player development. Could PM develop into a Delon/FVV type player in a season or two?

^^This

[bertarapsfan]

A few things to note. The Raps can make McCaw an RFA this summer with a very low QO. So I'm not sure why McCaw is doing this, but hey, good for the Raps.

The Raps seem to love grabbing these guys who can do some stuff well but can't shoot and believe they can teach guys to shoot. We'll see. For now, he just has to clear the Lorenzo Brown line. And in all likelihood will not need to absorb as many minutes as Brown had to unless there's another lengthy injury to Lowry or FVV or Wright.

One last thing, to a question upthread: the Raptors can send him to the 905 without his permission, as he doesn't have 3 years experience yet. So expect some reps there for him in all likelihood once the main roster is fully healthy.

Can he be a RFA this summer? it was my understandings that since the cavs singed him then released him he will now be a UFA?
the whole situation is really weird from McCaw side. i dont know how this works out better for him when he had a 4 million contract on the table in GSW.

[Puffer]

He's not replacing Fred or Delon. He's replacing Brown.

On the plus side Raptors actually develop their young players, and are big on internal growth. GSW are constantly in win now mode and don't invest in player development. Could PM develop into a Delon/FVV type player in a season or two?

Sums it up nicely, including the upside and Dan already referenced the fact that Raptors have pretty good control of Patrick's potential cost to them next season. I wonder if players and agents are paying attention to Raps history of developing players? Their history in this regard may be paying dividends. I have no idea how they compare to other teams in the league, but for guys on the bubble (low dollar risk) they seem to be attractive, as opposed to the Euro League route.

[LJ2]

Yeah I'm not really seeing the value of this signing. He's a decent defender and has good size. 6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan. Could this mean Norm is on his way out?

I don't really see him replacing Fred or Delon. He's a combo guard but you could say that about Norm too.

I wonder if Masai has a Norm deal up his sleeves and took in McCaw as a cheap replacement? This year's Norm is better though so could backfire if that's what he's up to.

He's not replacing Fred or Delon. He's replacing Brown.

On the plus side Raptors actually develop their young players, and are big on internal growth. GSW are constantly in win now mode and don't invest in player development. Could PM develop into a Delon/FVV type player in a season or two?

[DanH]

If that was the case why not just promote Jordan Lloyed & save some money?! I think there will be more things to come down the pipe.

Promoting Loyd wouldn't save them much money at all. All minimum salaries count for the same for tax purposes. And they can still bring Loyd up for a bunch of NBA days on his 2-way deal.

It looks like they are chasing the same path with their 2-way guys as last season - they'll promote one or the other on the last day of the year so they can be on the playoff roster at minimal cost.

[DanH]

A few things to note. The Raps can make McCaw an RFA this summer with a very low QO. So I'm not sure why McCaw is doing this, but hey, good for the Raps.

The Raps seem to love grabbing these guys who can do some stuff well but can't shoot and believe they can teach guys to shoot. We'll see. For now, he just has to clear the Lorenzo Brown line. And in all likelihood will not need to absorb as many minutes as Brown had to unless there's another lengthy injury to Lowry or FVV or Wright.

One last thing, to a question upthread: the Raptors can send him to the 905 without his permission, as he doesn't have 3 years experience yet. So expect some reps there for him in all likelihood once the main roster is fully healthy.

[bertarapsfan]

If that was the case why not just promote Jordan Lloyed & save some money?! I think there will be more things to come down the pipe.

macaws a real nba caliber player Lloyd isn't that yet. think they jumped while the situation was available. the organization certainly seemed like they liked brown so him not getting his contract extended around the same time Patrick came available looks like they actually wanted macaw. plus I don't think u really save much money cause brown contract would have been guaranteed for rest of the season and we have to carry 14 guys regardless.