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Tim W. wrote: View PostThis pretty much says all I have to say about Bargnani....
http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfen...inst-bargnani/
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Copywryter wrote: View PostThere is no chance. Bargs is a one-dimensional scorer with no post-up game and a shooter who can't create his own shot. He brings a very low basketball IQ, terrible defensive awareness, a lax approach and poor shooting mechanics to the game. I don't know why this city has such a hard-on for him (other than that he's white), but the rest of the basketball world thinks little of him.
Secondly, Bargs is faster than Bosh, and he is a better shooter from distance and their is no one that has ever watched them play that will disagree with that. What they have done historically has very little do do with this, this is about how they play today. Bosh is a terrible post defender and Bargs is significantly better due to his size. He has also always been a better shot blocker.
" draws an instant double team
- Better shot selection
- Fact that most teams would love to have him
- Fact that the coach of the US men's olympic team couldn't say enough good things about him
- Higher basketball IQ"
The double team thing means the other team sees him as a better player, not that he necessarily is. I don't particularly care what the coach of the US Olympic team has to say, especially since this is a comparative thing and I have never heard the US coaches stance on Bargs. Bosh does not have good Basketball IQ. Period. Bosh settles for Jumpers when he has mismatches, can't pass out of a double team, has no idea how to find open teammates and has awful shot selection.
Bosh has very little desire to win, if you watch him he disappears late in close games. Maybe that just shows he's a choker, but to me it shows a lack of desire. I said at the end of the post that I didn't think he was as good as Bosh but there is an argument to be made. This coming season will tell the story."Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
-Churchill
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hateslosing wrote: View PostK, first off, I don't live in Toronto so don't take my comments to reflect the city's approach. He has a post up game, it's just not overly well developed but it has improved significantly.
Secondly, Bargs is faster than Bosh, and he is a better shooter from distance and their is no one that has ever watched them play that will disagree with that. What they have done historically has very little do do with this, this is about how they play today. Bosh is a terrible post defender and Bargs is significantly better due to his size. He has also always been a better shot blocker.
" draws an instant double team
- Better shot selection
- Fact that most teams would love to have him
- Fact that the coach of the US men's olympic team couldn't say enough good things about him
- Higher basketball IQ"
The double team thing means the other team sees him as a better player, not that he necessarily is. I don't particularly care what the coach of the US Olympic team has to say, especially since this is a comparative thing and I have never heard the US coaches stance on Bargs. Bosh does not have good Basketball IQ. Period. Bosh settles for Jumpers when he has mismatches, can't pass out of a double team, has no idea how to find open teammates and has awful shot selection.
Bosh has very little desire to win, if you watch him he disappears late in close games. Maybe that just shows he's a choker, but to me it shows a lack of desire. I said at the end of the post that I didn't think he was as good as Bosh but there is an argument to be made. This coming season will tell the story.
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bosh knows that andrea is better and that is why he will leave.
andrea is far more aggressive and hungry to win.
tim's hate on blog was just that, haterade, made from the same stuff the smoke monster on lost is made of.
also andrea is taller, has better shoes, and doesn't tweet stuff like 'what da scarest movie u ever seen?''
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Multipaul wrote: View Postcome on appollo, dont tell me u think cb is more than a sidekick?
we might not need bargs to be our leader, just to be our #1 weapon
next year we will have a 'team', not a bunch of guys appeasing the 'franchise player'
I think going all in on Bargnani with your hope is dangerous. He's not a franchise #1 player, just like Rashard Lewis isn't for example. Bosh may be gone but they doesn't mean we all need to force the issue on a guy who isn't ready to lead anything.Last edited by Apollo; Thu Jun 3, 2010, 09:59 PM.
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Apollo wrote: View PostBargnani would have been lucky to be taken in the top ten if he was in the class of 2003. He was taken number one in a draft with no consensus number one. Is Kwame Brown and Kenyon Martin better than Bosh too? I mean they were taken 1st overall.
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RikkJames wrote: View PostWhat i meant was that Andrea was chosen 1st overall because scouts saw the talent that he possessed. He wasnt drafted cuz he is 7' and can rebound and block shots, he was chosen cuz he was 7' and was thought to have an all-around game similar to Dirks.
RikkJames wrote: View PostBosh is the better player at the moment, but my argument is Andrea might be more talented in overall basketball skillset.
RikkJames wrote: View PostAlot of times, its not the most skilled player that excels , its the one with the desire ...
RikkJames wrote: View PostIts like comparing Rafer Alston to Jason Kidd, Alston is probably the more talented player, but Kidd kills him with his desire, basketball IQ and heart.Last edited by Apollo; Thu Jun 3, 2010, 10:13 PM.
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There is not one defensive stat out there that doesn't basically say Bargnani isn't a terrible defender and add to that his brutal rebounding. His (inconsistent) offense doesn't make up for his defence and rebounding.
While Bosh gets to the line at a superstar rate, rebounds at great rate, he can draw the double-team (still needs to pass out of the double team better), and is the best ISO big man in the NBA (other than dirk). His defence is at worst average and he will hold his own on the defense side.
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Ripp wrote: View PostHeh. Amir is better than Bargnani. But unlike you, I actually believe what I say.
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Copywryter wrote: View PostThat, sir, is an excellent link.
hateslosing wrote: View PostK, first off, I don't live in Toronto so don't take my comments to reflect the city's approach. He has a post up game, it's just not overly well developed but it has improved significantly.
Secondly, Bargs is faster than Bosh, and he is a better shooter from distance and their is no one that has ever watched them play that will disagree with that. What they have done historically has very little do do with this, this is about how they play today. Bosh is a terrible post defender and Bargs is significantly better due to his size. He has also always been a better shot blocker.
" draws an instant double team
- Better shot selection
- Fact that most teams would love to have him
- Fact that the coach of the US men's olympic team couldn't say enough good things about him
- Higher basketball IQ"
The double team thing means the other team sees him as a better player, not that he necessarily is. I don't particularly care what the coach of the US Olympic team has to say, especially since this is a comparative thing and I have never heard the US coaches stance on Bargs. Bosh does not have good Basketball IQ. Period. Bosh settles for Jumpers when he has mismatches, can't pass out of a double team, has no idea how to find open teammates and has awful shot selection.
Bosh has very little desire to win, if you watch him he disappears late in close games. Maybe that just shows he's a choker, but to me it shows a lack of desire. I said at the end of the post that I didn't think he was as good as Bosh but there is an argument to be made. This coming season will tell the story.
Bosh is certainly not a terrible post defender. Bosh's post defense improved quite a bit this year due to his added bulk, but Bosh, as well as Bargnani, let players get position far too close to the basket too much. Bargnani is better in some situations and Bosh is better in some situations. Bosh, however, is a much better team defender than Bargnani.
If 29 of the greatest NBA coaching minds in North America see Bosh as a better player than Bargnani, I think it's probably safe to say they're right.
And Bosh doesn't have a great basketball IQ, but it's much better than Bargnani's. Bargnani settles for fadeaways when he posts up a guard. And if Bosh's shot selection is so poor, why does he shoot a much higher percentage than Bargnani? And per 36 mpg, Bargnani was 2nd last in assists behind DeMar DeRozan, so he's not exactly a great passer, either.
The idea that Bosh disappears late in close games is a myth that has been disproven countless times. Bosh came up big time and time again in close games this year. Bargnani does seem to play well in the clutch, but he's asked to do much, much less. And it's the rest of the game that I have a problem with. At least Bosh is able to play consistently over the course of the game and season. Bargnani will disappear for entire quarters and even entire games. He doesn't have the type of game or personality that will allow teams to depend on him.
Quite frankly, the majority of the negative things for Bosh go twice that for Bargnani. And Bosh has far, far more strengths than Bargnani, as well.
Multipaul wrote: View Postbosh knows that andrea is better and that is why he will leave.
andrea is far more aggressive and hungry to win.
tim's hate on blog was just that, haterade, made from the same stuff the smoke monster on lost is made of.
also andrea is taller, has better shoes, and doesn't tweet stuff like 'what da scarest movie u ever seen?''Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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