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Bosh S&T To Miami Done Deal? (Update on Pg. 8)
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The Lakers had one of the top three offensive threats in the game and were gifted a phenomenal big man, while having probably the best coach possible for their team and an owner who had no qualms with spending money. Boston had assets and turned them into three Hall-of-Famers who fit together well, just a little past their prime at the time. They also literally bought Rondo from the cost-cutting Suns.
I'm sure teams rebuilding the way OKC and Portland did happens more often than that, at least.
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malefax wrote: View PostTim W.: I can understand where you're coming from with wanting to see the Raptors rebuild, but I dont think it's ever going to happen -- or, at least, the roster you see right now is the closest we're going to get. I dont think BC is ever going to make a move that he thinks will make the team do badly in the regular season. That isn't what MLSE hired him for. MLSE wants us making the playoffs every year, because that makes most fans happy and sells merchandise. Of course they want a championship, but they don't want to endure 5 years of losing to get a shot.
On the upside, 'rebuilding' is not at all the only way to win a championship. The Lakers did not get where they are by rebuilding. Neither did Boston. Fans like the concept because they can understand the logic of it, but in the real world, it's not even all that common as the road to the championship. The main way is just good trades. No special reason the Raptors can't do that, although of course it's unlikely (since winnign a championship is always unlikely).
The Lakers got where they are by dumping their roster, opening up cap room and signing Shaq and drafting Kobe in one summer. Once you have your superstar, then the rest is a lot easier.
Boston got to where they are because Kevin McHale completely f**ked up in Minnesota and did Ainge a favour.
Of all the superstars, the clear majority were drafted by their team. Most NBA FInals MVPs and MVPs were drafted by their team (or traded for before they played). It's incredibly difficult to get a franchise player except through the draft, and it's incredibly difficult to do it if you're not one of the few desirable locations in the NBA.
Most fans actually don't want their team to rebuild. It's usually only the educated fans that do. Regular fans simply want to be able to go to a game and watch a competitive team. That's exactly why most teams don't like to rebuild. GMs don't like using the word because it scares fans. Fans pay lots of money to go watch games, and if they know a team is rebuilding, they won't spend the money. That's why Colangelo backtracked during the press conference when he mentioned rebuilding.
saints91 wrote: View Posthmmmmm maybe I mean loosing. Before Vince there was a lot of rebuilding going on.
The thing with rebuilding is that you have to be able to keep those stud players that you draft. We can't do that! We are not a team that builds through free agency because most American players don't want to come here. So our option is have a predominately European team or trade for good players with long term contracts. Drafts are important and we have three young players that can be good for this team. To keep these guys we have to have to start winning and make this a franchise players want to come to.
This was exactly the problem Cleveland had with LeBron and why he probably left. They surrounded him with veterans because they wanted him to win immediately, but they kept having to reload, and he never had consistency and few developed players.
Oklahoma City is such a great example of what to do because Durant is surrounded by players who will get better with him, not decline as he gets better and have to be replaced.
As for keeping the young players, you don't have to start winning immediately. That's a VERY short sighted solution. That's what Colangelo tried to do with Bosh. It doesn't work. The team has a few years before the young players have to be re-signed, and they don't necessarily have to be winning, but be in a good position to win in the future. If DeRozan sees the framework of a successful team, there will be no reason for him to go elsewhere.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Hassan wrote: View Posttotally agree man the clips have been rebuilding for years and they suck lolRead my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Update
Wolves/Heat also agree to unspecified swap of future first-round picks. Heat turned to 'Sota after four-way trade w/TOR, HOU, CHA dissolved
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Beasley's A Twolf:
http://yhoo.it/coBkk7
I know Beasley's been almost unanimously panned in these parts, but wasn't he also seen as the cog to any S&T with Miami?
Now that he's out I'm feeling like the S&T is too...
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The idea of developing young gunz sounds promising, however you guys forget to remember that all young players developed by Raptors deserted before they reach their potential (Damon, Vince, Tracy, Chris). The most important thing for Raptors is to get players that are committed to play in Toronto, not attention whores that are ready any time to bolt just to get a ring by pairing with others.
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Can somebody tell me what "retooling" is? Does that mean since our biggest tool (Bosh) has just left, we're going to go out and recruit a new tool? I hear AI is looking to play again. He's a pretty big tool.
As far as I'm concerned, the Raps might as well start vacuuming up draft picks for the next couple of years and start building around the kids they've got. I'm tired of cheering for tools.
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If that wasn't sarcasm, retooling is a compromise between rebuilding and contending. Constantly looking for bandaid solutions for the short term instead of trying to make solid moves with a long term view.
If it was, then yes, I agree. AI is a tool. :P
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geebee wrote: View PostCan somebody tell me what "retooling" is? Does that mean since our biggest tool (Bosh) has just left, we're going to go out and recruit a new tool? I hear AI is looking to play again. He's a pretty big tool.
As far as I'm concerned, the Raps might as well start vacuuming up draft picks for the next couple of years and start building around the kids they've got. I'm tired of cheering for tools.
retooling means signing some meaningless FAs to give the illusion to some fans that we can compete.
retooling is taking a future of the team hostage and having no real plan to fix things.
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Looks Like S&T With Heat Is Going To Happen
HT: Liston Tweet
Heat tying up loose ends with Chris Bosh, Mike Miller
The Heat also is finishing off a sign-and-trade agreement with the Toronto Raptors that will allow recently acquired power forward Chris Bosh to receive a six-year free-agent contract instead of the maximum five-year contract an outside free agent can receive. The Raptors, in turn, will receive a package of draft picks from the Heat and a trade exception of roughly $15 million.Avatar: Riverboat Coffee House 134 Yorkville Ave. billboard of upcoming entertainers - Circa 1960s
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That's some good news to be sure.
I'm very curious as to what the various contracts are going to look like if the Heat are going to be able to afford to add Mike Miller to the mix.
edit: it's doubly good news if we get the pick that Miami reportedly swapped with Minny in getting rid of Beasley. Looking forward to finding out more about whether it's lottery protected, etc.
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Lark Benson wrote: View PostThat's some good news to be sure.
I'm very curious as to what the various contracts are going to look like if the Heat are going to be able to afford to add Mike Miller to the mix.
edit: it's doubly good news if we get the pick that Miami reportedly swapped with Minny in getting rid of Beasley. Looking forward to finding out more about whether it's lottery protected, etc.If Your Uncle Jack Helped You Off An Elephant, Would You Help Your Uncle Jack Off An Elephant?
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