2011 Draft Rumors & Discussion

[dballa21]

http://www.nbadraft.net/
Harrison Barnes is no projected to go number 2. We need to trade Bargnani for Sacramento's pick to have a shot at him!

[RaptorsFan4Life]

Who says white man can't jump?

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Can't wait for sweet 16! JIMMER AND COMPANY @ FLORIDA! Duke vs Arizona wont be that bad either, especially with Irving playing significant min. To bad they are both at the same time.

http://www.thescore.com/home/article...ime-vs-arizona

[ceez]

It'll be a good test for Jimmer, they're probably the best defensive team in the tourney.

[Apollo]

CBS Sports Lays The Smack Down On Fredette

Jimmer Fredette was easily the most recognizable player coming into the NCAA Tournament this year, and remains the most prolific player in the Sweet 16. He's the type of player who brings people's imaginations out to play. They're captivated by what he does. And what he does is score. As long as you have an incredible scoring ability at the college level, people will proclaim your greatness and defend you from the scrutiny of draft evaluations. Take for example, some of the comments from Ken Berger's latest discussion with NBA personnel on the BYU senior:

"The old saying is that hopefully you can teach people to defend at least to a certain point," one Eastern Conference GM said. "But you can't teach the offensive skill set that he has."

Or, as another GM put it:

"You start talking about elite shooters, which he's proven himself to be, how many of those guys have come into this league as elite shooters and failed? Not many."

It's really great to see NBA executives willing to take a chance on a player based on the results he's shown in college, not based on upside or potential or athleticism or defense or explosiveness or ability to guard any competent NBA player for a single possession.
You see where I'm going with this, right?
Have the GM's learned nothing from Adam Morrison? Has the long and prolific history of draft busts who were awesome at shooting in college but had questionable athleticism, size, and defensive prowess completely whipped past their heads on the way to Jersey Sale Island? Fredette, as Berger repeatedly mentions, is terrific at creating off-balance shots from either foot. Which will be really helpful when he's getting swallowed alive by guards with more wingspan than three Jimmers put together with an Ammo. He really is a brilliant college scorer. But that's just it. The NBA isn't college. The game's rules and objectives may be the same, but how they operate is completely different.

For starters, offensively, Jimmer's basically looking at a Kyle Korver type role. A spot-up shooter only, since his speed, leaping ability, and size will ensure that any mid-range floaters, leaners, or runners will wind up getting eclipsed by the long arms he'll find at the pro-level. Korver can't defend either, after all, and he really just needs to stick to the perimeter. But Korver's 6-7. He's got five inches and a bulkier frame on Fredette, which limits teams' ability to drive him into the post and abuse him. Fredette would have to play point guard due to his height, and from there, he's looking at guarding either the fastest players in the league at a time when the ability at that position is at an all-time high, or getting put into the post against players like Deron Williams who will bruise him into a pulp.

The other obvious comparison for Fredette is J.J. Redick, as we mentioned. Redick was a pure shooter coming out of Duke and many questioned his ability to play in the NBA. But Redick spent two years bulking up on muscle and focusing on defense. Now he's one of the better defenders on the perimeter Orlando has and arguably the best defender of Ray Allen in the league, thanks to a near-pathological drive to bust through repeated screens by the Celtics. Can Fredette copy that model? Tom Ziller of SBNation.com pointed out in January that Redick is stronger and bigger than Jimmer. In short: whatever limitations can be mitigated in regards to Jimmer's size are emboldened by his physical abilities and whatever shortfalls can be mitigated in regards to his abilities eventually overwhelm his stock due to his lack of size.

But hey, lots of players can't play defense in this league. Many of them will be teammates for Fredette when he lands on a lottery squad. So what's the big deal on that front? The issue is that you have to find an offensive repertoire you can rely on to create open looks. Fredette's best option when faced with a capable defense at BYU is to simply step back and shoot from longer range. The first time Fredette launches a 40-foot J in the NBA will be the last time a teammate passes to him. Maybe he can adopt the leaning shots that Manu Ginobili routinely drains over more athletic opponents. Except Ginobili is four inches taller than Fredette and his speed is good enough to create havoc against a defense, even if he's not explosive like C-4.

In reality, there's no real comparison to Fredette in the NBA, and that's a bad thing. It's one thing to have no comparable set of athletic talent because you're so superior in that regard. After all, there was no one to compare LeBron James to when he entered the league at 18, either. But with Fredette, it's difficult to find a comparison because most players of that mold have not lasted long enough to succeed.

No one drafts for reasonable value in the NBA, everyone tries to get that special player that's fallen to your spot. Ironically, it's that same idea that will draw GMs to draft Fredette, thinking he has something special to offer, based off how special he's been in college (and he is a wonder at that level).

But before they do, they should check and see the measurements Fredette provides in his pre-draft workouts. Check his vertical leap, his shuttle time, his 40-time, his standing reach. See how they measure up not only against the more athletic members of his class, but against the players who have tried, and failed, before him to bring the pure skill game of college to the sharp and brutal athletic gauntlet of the NBA. Someone will be brave enough to take Jimmer high in the first round. In this instance however, fortune may not favor the bold

Source: CBS Sports

[Joey]

Source: CBS Sports

Nice find. This is pretty much as I've felt about him as well.
Adam Morrison and Reddick both proved that Offense alone won't keep you in the leauge. Reddick persevered, Morrison didn't.

[WJF]

Kevin Love was to small, to slow, not athletic enough, blah blah blah. There are two sides to every story, if the author wanted to find examples on either side of the argument he could have, he chose to write a negative piece because everything else out there is all love for the Jimmer. On the flip side there are all the world class athletes that faded away as well, where is Gerald Green and James White?

I am not saying we should draft him, but I am not writing the Kid off because of this article.

Here are some quotes from another article. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/24/sp...4byu.html?_r=3

Dave Rice, a B.Y.U. assistant, said some of Fredette’s defensive deficiencies were by design.

“A lot of that is really on us,” Rice said. “We expect so much of him on the offensive end. We can’t afford to have him in foul trouble. He’s a much, much better defensive player than he’s given credit for. A lot of that is part of our game plan.”

The B.Y.U. strength coach, Justin McClure, said he expected Fredette to test well in the physical drills. He said Fredette has a vertical jump of 36 inches, can bench-press 265 pounds and should be able to lift 185 pounds 9 or 10 times.

“I think he surprised people with that,” McClure said. “He’s a lot quicker and more agile than people give him credit for.”

[Apollo]

Not that it's on topic but Kevin Love is not undersized. He's 6'10", 260lbs. Here's a picture of him standing next to 6'10" Kevin McHale:

[Raptors_]

Who says white man can't jump?

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Can't wait for sweet 16! JIMMER AND COMPANY @ FLORIDA! Duke vs Arizona wont be that bad either, especially with Irving playing significant min. To bad they are both at the same time.

http://www.thescore.com/home/article...ime-vs-arizona

What channel? i want to see Irving play

[WJF]

Not that it's on topic but Kevin Love is not undersized. He's 6'10", 260lbs. Here's a picture of him standing next to 6'10" Kevin McHale:

It was knock against him coming into the draft...and he measured out at 6'7-3/4" not all that great, compare that to the legit 6'9" that Ed Davis measured and you can see how he was called a little under sized.

[bloodyhandedgod]

What channel? i want to see Irving play

CBS. Game starts around 9:45 pm EST.

[Apollo]

I question that measurement. As you can clearly see in the image, he's as tall as McHale and McHale is listed at 6'10". What are the chances of both guys really being 6'7-3/4' and both getting incorrectly listed as 6'10"? Slim. Does Kevin love wear platforms?

Here he is standing next to 6'0" Johnny Flynn and 6'4" Wayne Ellington

[WJF]

I question that measurement. As you can clearly see in the image, he's as tall as McHale and McHale is listed at 6'10". What are the chances of both guys really being 6'7-3/4' and both getting incorrectly listed as 6'10"? Slim. Does Kevin love wear platforms?

Here he is standing next to 6'0" Johnny Flynn and 6'4" Wayne Ellington

Not to get in an argument here, but to me McHale looks a little taller in the picture, maybe it is those freaky shoulders or the nice hair do, but he looks slightly taller, not to mention that as you age you do tend to shrink a bit....not that 54 is old. Also, Love measured at 6'9 1/2 in the shoes he had at the combine, so he gets the bump to 6'10" because for some reason no one gets a rounded to a 1/2 inch, just to full inches in the NBA.

[RaptorsFan4Life]

Source: CBS Sports

Have you watched Fredette play? He does have explosion, he's great at getting to the basket. Comparing him to Adam Morrison is unfair because he plays nothing like him. Morrison always use to come off screens and take shots while Fredette is a PG and runs the offense and creates his own shots. The only think Morrison did the same with Fredette was put up the PPG. 99% of the people said the same shit they are saying about Fredette about Curry and look where he's at in the NBA.

Fredette might not be that atletic but neither is Irving. IDK how you guys keep forgetting this. Fredette is very creative and has good court vision, he isn't going to have any probs translating to the NBA especially with his work ethic. Saying one highly drafted player who wasn't athletic and didn't play anything like another player was a bust and using that as a reason not to draft another player is completely FAIL.

BTW Keep in my athleticism doesn't always translate into the NBA there have been a lot of athletic players that failed when they got to the NBA.

[Apollo]

No I have not watched Fredette play and neither has any other one of his many critics that clash with your view. We're just bunch pin head jerks looking to stir the pot. That's the only logical conclusion.

[RaptorsFan4Life]

No I have not watched Fredette play and neither has any other one of his many critics that clash with your view. We're just bunch pin head jerks looking to stir the pot. That's the only logical conclusion.

O that makes more sense. /s

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Dennis Hopson

Physical talent != automatic star.