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Multipaul wrote: View PostHahah, you're awesome man.
how bout this, I don't like Demar or Amir ...so lets put them together, and trade for Kobe. We can throw in Dorsey and Reg on a sign and trade.
I like Kobe, so this deal must work.
As for the topic of this thread I do not look to keep Bargnani as one of our bigs, who many argue is a stellar player because he is a "great scorer" for the team, and "spreads the floor" to make up for his lack of rebounds and defense. Ummm...
Bargnani -
21st in FG% for FC (excluding true centers which would drop him another 15 spots)
last in 3ptFG% (and not close. by the way Charlie V is shooting a better clip than Bargnani, and please don't use that as an argument he should come back!)
2nd in shots taken per game behind Amare (at 7pts less FG% than Amare though) He takes touches away from others.
25th in rebounds (drop another 11 spots to 36th if you include true centers)
18th in blocks (drop another 18 if you include the Cs, and this doesn't even include PF's including Amir Johnson - who has dbl the blks)
Forget the rest, and I am sorry I won't comment on Bargs the rest of this thread since there is a dedicated thread for that elsewhere.
Sell sell sell!
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Maleko wrote: View PostMulti man you have to release a little of your love on for Bargnani. Hey I was there a few years ago, but I got help. You can do it, admitting you have an addiction is the first step. I know you predicted he would be an all-star this year at the beginning of this season, (yes yes I know he finished 7th behind Hibbert of Indiana of all people but it's ok, and he wouldn't have made the forwards' top ten list), and I know you predicted the Raps would be above .500 and entering the playoffs this year. It's ok man, we're here for you.
As for the topic of this thread I do not look to keep Bargnani as one of our bigs, who many argue is a stellar player because he is a "great scorer" for the team, and "spreads the floor" to make up for his lack of rebounds and defense. Ummm...
Bargnani -
21st in FG% for FC (excluding true centers which would drop him another 15 spots)
last in 3ptFG% (and not close. by the way Charlie V is shooting a better clip than Bargnani, and please don't use that as an argument he should come back!)
2nd in shots taken per game behind Amare (at 7pts less FG% than Amare though) He takes touches away from others.
25th in rebounds (drop another 11 spots to 36th if you include true centers)
18th in blocks (drop another 18 if you include the Cs, and this doesn't even include PF's including Amir Johnson - who has dbl the blks)
Forget the rest, and I am sorry I won't comment on Bargs the rest of this thread since there is a dedicated thread for that elsewhere.
Sell sell sell!
BTW, i think if we package Bargs, Weems, Barbo and Dorsey we could get D Wade and Magloire! Holla!
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Multipaul wrote: View PostCharlie V...Biedrins...come on man...you are all over the map.
BTW, i think if we package Bargs, Weems, Barbo and Dorsey we could get D Wade and Magloire! Holla!
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You have to decide how may to keep before addressing this in any detail. My thoughts on order of value:
Ed Davis - young, lots of upside and he play defense (you know, the thing in your zone). He and Demar are the closest to untouchable the Raps have
Amir Johnson - great energy, however, could easily be nudged down the list because he and Ed may end up at the same spot. Despite the overlap he has a lot of team-friendly intangibles that are good even if he doesn't start.
Andrea - a distant 3rd. Has the polish and offensive tools but it is time for him to stop being the perennial future of the team.
Reggie - at the right price, I'd put him as high as 2.
Alexis - still haven't seen enough, but shows good confidence on the floor
Joey Dorsey - may be he's hit his ceiling?
Solomon Alabi - early to say either way but he isn't going to be a Mozgov-calibre dealbreaker on the trade market. He'll have time to develop in TO or Erie.
Pare the list down according to what we need.
Ajinca - still young
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Amir and Ed are absolutely positively keepers. Dre is 50/50 in my book if he can wake the fuck up and ive been saying that for like 5 seasons. Reggie evans stays but ONLY for the Vet's minimum or something close to that. Dorsey, Ajinca and are more no than yes. Alabi stays on the team but as a ball boy.
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Edgar wrote: View PostEverything is for sale - need an upgrade of talent at all positions in order to be a relevant contender type. Amir for a mid-first rounder? Check. Calderon for a lottery pick? Check. Our whole starting lineup for a young superstar type player? Check.
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Bargnani should be moved but only if you get something good for him. You can't just give him away. I've always been intrigued by Marc Gasol of the Grizzlies. He's a restricted free agent this summer. I wonder if the Grizz would be open to a Bargnani for Gasol trade. Putting Ed Davis and Gasol beside each other in the front court would be awesome.
As for Reggie, love him a lot but you need to think logically on this. He's 31 and in a contract year. The way he plays, he's going to get run down and might be prone to injury. He would be great on a championship team as a 6th, 7th, or 8th guy. You also need to see what type of money he'll want. If he wants anything close to the $5 million/year he's making now, that's too much money to be investing in him. Something in the neighbourhood of 3 years at about 2.5-3 million/year is acceptable if he's willing to be the 4th big in the rotation.
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jd4 wrote: View PostBargnani should be moved but only if you get something good for him. You can't just give him away. I've always been intrigued by Marc Gasol of the Grizzlies. He's a restricted free agent this summer. I wonder if the Grizz would be open to a Bargnani for Gasol trade. Putting Ed Davis and Gasol beside each other in the front court would be awesome.
As for Reggie, love him a lot but you need to think logically on this. He's 31 and in a contract year. The way he plays, he's going to get run down and might be prone to injury. He would be great on a championship team as a 6th, 7th, or 8th guy. You also need to see what type of money he'll want. If he wants anything close to the $5 million/year he's making now, that's too much money to be investing in him. Something in the neighbourhood of 3 years at about 2.5-3 million/year is acceptable if he's willing to be the 4th big in the rotation.
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Multipaul wrote: View PostSpeaking of Memphis, I wonder if there is any way we could go after Zebo? Apparently they are not 100% interested in keeping him around. Not sure if he fits BC's clean-cut standards tho.
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Multipaul wrote: View PostSpeaking of Memphis, I wonder if there is any way we could go after Zebo? Apparently they are not 100% interested in keeping him around. Not sure if he fits BC's clean-cut standards tho.
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Zach Randolph? ZACH RANDLOPH????? Shouldn't the Raptors be GETTING RID OF players who don't play defense, not getting more of them?
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If Bargnani stays then what's the point? Get Dwight Howard along side him? That would probably work, but it ain't happening. The only way I'd accept Bargnani staying is if he came off the bench. That's not gonna happen either. He has to go (like, 3 seasons ago).
Amir and Ed are the bigs to keep, and right now they are almost the same player. I'm not sure yet if that's a bad thing or not, but I guess it would depend on who our 5 is because neither of the two can guard opposing 5s. In any case both are worthy rotation players on any team.
I would love to have Reggie as a veteran mentor. However, unless he absolutely loves it here and would stay for cheap, I don't think we can afford him since lots of teams would want his services.
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