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Tim W. wrote: View PostI'm not saying LeBron is a top 5 player of all-time. I've been disappointed he hasn't been able to fully utilize the enormous gifts he has, but I think he does make his teammates better. Just not to the same level as guys like Jordan, Magic, Bird or even Wade. I haven't particularly liked how he's been used, and I think he's still trying to figure out what kind of player he is. But since you've been following the NBA for as long as I have, you'll probably remember many of those same criticisms you have of LeBron were levelled at Jordan at a similar age. Now, I don't think LeBron will ever be on Jordan's level, but I think you're judging him too harshly, at this point in his career. Hell, remember Kobe, at the same age?
Oh, as a Lakers fan, I definitely remember Kobe when he came in, and was not happy. You could see he could play, but playing with others was a huge question. He adapted, although perhaps not as much as Jordan did.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostI don't know about you, but I wasn't overly impressed with ANY teams this year. I love the Spurs, but they won 61 games without ever looking like a 60 win team. Same goes for Chicago. I think Dallas took advantage of an off year. Neither the Spurs or Lakers are the same teams that won the Championships. Miami isn't there, yet. Neither is Chicago or Oklahoma. Boston and Orlando made trades that actually made them worse.
And I think the likelihood of drafting an elite player is better than being able to form a Championship team without any elite players.
As for Detroit. People are really not giving them enough credit here. That was a well built team with good players 1-5 and perhaps one of the best defensive players to ever play the game (Ben Wallace). To me thats an elite player (I may be a bit off here but 4 straight DPoY awards and lead the league... or right at the top anyways... in blocks, steals and rebounds each of those years, if I'm not mistaken) I'll say the east was weak during their 'dynasty', but they competed for years with all those teams in the west and they were the ONLY team to knock off the Lakers over that 4 year span. They weren't one of the best teams ever, but they were still an extremely good team. If that team was in its prime today... I'd bet they'd still be a top team in the league. I will say though that they were an outlier compared to most championship teams (ie. star players tend be offensively gifted, and teams will usually have more than one superstar)
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GarbageTime wrote: View PostThis has been one of the strongest years of basketball in a while. The east got signficantly better at the top, and the west stayed the strongest from top to bottom. If we are going to say a 60 win team didn't "look like a 60 win team", Miami, Chicago, OKC "aren't there yet", LA is "not the same" well thats the type of argument you can then make for any team in any year. Very arbitrary. If you look at some of the Lakers championships in the first part of the decade, there were only 2 teams that were ever going to compete with them in the west (Sac and Port), 1 in the east (Detroit). I find that to be much weaker than 8-9 being considered contenders.
As for Detroit. People are really not giving them enough credit here. That was a well built team with good players 1-5 and perhaps one of the best defensive players to ever play the game (Ben Wallace). To me thats an elite player (I may be a bit off here but 4 straight DPoY awards and lead the league... or right at the top anyways... in blocks, steals and rebounds each of those years, if I'm not mistaken) I'll say the east was weak during their 'dynasty', but they competed for years with all those teams in the west and they were the ONLY team to knock off the Lakers over that 4 year span. They weren't one of the best teams ever, but they were still an extremely good team. If that team was in its prime today... I'd bet they'd still be a top team in the league. I will say though that they were an outlier compared to most championship teams (ie. star players tend be offensively gifted, and teams will usually have more than one superstar)
As for Detroit, I think they were a very, very good team, but I do think they were one of the worst Champions in the last 30 years. This Dallas team would be pretty close, too, in my opinion.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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