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Miekenstien wrote: View Posti would much rather fields to another 4/3 player.
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NoBan wrote: View PostThis message board is out of it's mind. Every critical response is met by an avalanche of excuses from fanboys/homers . Landry Fields sucks. No other team would offer him $20 million, simple as that. Having Nash/Fields at $55 million for 3 seasons is a horrible deal. That's max money for a 40 year old and a bench guy.
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thead wrote: View PostThe problem we have with you is your manufactured facts. You create the fact you want and then argue your opinion, instead of letting the facts dictate your opinion.
Landry Fields is a mild over pay...I suspect we are paying about 3 - 4 million more than he is worth over the life of his contract. In his third year it gives us either a 9 million dollar expiring trade chip...a very solid wing guy we go forward with and at the worst....9 million comes off our books at the end of that season
Steve Nash is a mild over pay....At 38 I don't suspect he would deteriorate that quickly. But he is likely worth 27 - 30 million over three years. 12 is an over pay but again. After he generously donates three years of leadership/development and wins to the Raptors. He comes off the books.
Amir Johnson & Bargnani also come off the books then. If you haven't noticed yet. The play is for accelerated development over the next 3 years - re-evaluate what we have then (40 million comes off the books if all four players are signed and kept until that point) and move forward accordingly.
I would not be surprised if we over pay at least one more veteran (Grant Hill) on a 3 year deal.
now to your adjusted 48 minutes thing. It doesn't take into account when those minutes were played who they were played against....i.e. garbage time(Forbes) vs defending starters(Fields)
As someone said Alabi's per 48 minutes is a perfect example of this...which I will now post.
19.2 ppg 27.2 rebounds 5 blocks <---------perennial all star and HOF numbers for sure.
Stats can say whatever you want them to. So it's CRITICAL you look at more than the ones that support your pre-existing opinion. Rather read a bunch...read reviews, read scouting reports, read opinions counter to your own and for a SPLIT second consider what if I'm wrong? Even if you land back on your original opinion...the more experienced posters here would likely stop savaging your every post.
If you looked just at stats....Landry Fields was a garbage signing. HOWEVER if you have the context of a superstar egomaniac black hole no defense playing coach killing Carmelo Anthony, a change in system. You would be better off examining how he played with a pass first PG. I.E. his Rookie stats and time without Melo are more indicative of who he will be.
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With those advanced stats, Alabi should be our starting center for the next decade-"You can’t run from me. I mean, my heart don’t bleed Kool-Aid."
-"“I ain’t no diva! I don’t have no blond hair, red hair. I’m Reggie Evans.”
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Yes, Ilyasova can rebound, but does he help the team to be better at rebounding?
Just for the sake of argument, let's also take a closer look at this rebounding numbers, which similarly jumped this past season. Ersan is more crafty than strong and more instinctive than athletic on the glass, and he tends to have a bigger impact on offensive rebounding that he does when it comes to keeping opponents off the boards. Looking at the team rebounding percentages when he is on/off the court, Ilyasova has consistently improved Milwaukee's offensive rebound rate when on the floor, and always raised it to a mark that would be the equivalent of a top-10 team in the NBA.
Unfortunately, he's had trouble making the same impact when it comes to keeping counterparts away from the rim on the other end. When Andrew Bogut was around, the Bucks always finished in the top-10 in defensive rebound rate (ie-keeping opponents off the glass), but this past season they ranked 25th overall and were by far the worst in the league with Ersan on the floor -- the Golden State Warriors finished last with a DRR of 69.14%, while the Bucks only managed a pitiful 66.6% rate (!) with Ilyasova on the floor.
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Also, everyone here realizes that Ersan only exploded because he was in a contract year, right?-"You can’t run from me. I mean, my heart don’t bleed Kool-Aid."
-"“I ain’t no diva! I don’t have no blond hair, red hair. I’m Reggie Evans.”
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Noban: Landy Fields is garbage and not worth close to $20 for 3 years. Nobody but BC would do that. It's stupid
Raps Repub: Get your facts right!
Noban: According to per 48 minutes and PER, Fields compares less than favourably to Gary Forbes.
Raps Repub: Hey, those aren't the facts we should be using!
The lesson: Raps Repub seems to blindly defend Raptors moves.
Fields compares poorly to our own scrub (Forbes) and to the 2 main wing players on the horrible Bobcats (Maggette and Henderson). He's a below average player that we've offered average to above average money to. If best reason to be optimistic about a signing is "hey, the guy played with a superstar last year," shouldn't more fans be skeptical of the move?
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Either Nash or Dragic will do for me.
Both has upsides to consider, Nash being a culture changer, and Dragic being young.
However l tend to lean more towards Nash.
Other than making the Raptors a guaranteed playoff team, he will bring back respectability to his team which has been missing since Bosh left.
Nash is a player magnet too, as he always made every one around him better,
so we can expect other players to consider playing with him in Toronto.
He may not be able to turn things around immediately, but within that 3 years, with Nash's creativity and charisma,
this gamble by BC will bear fruit for sure.
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NoBan wrote: View PostNoban: Landy Fields is garbage and not worth close to $20 for 3 years. Nobody but BC would do that. It's stupid
Raps Repub: Get your facts right!
Noban: According to per 48 minutes and PER, Fields compares less than favourably to Gary Forbes.
Raps Repub: Hey, those aren't the facts we should be using!
The lesson: Raps Repub seems to blindly defend Raptors moves.
Fields compares poorly to our own scrub (Forbes) and to the 2 main wing players on the horrible Bobcats (Maggette and Henderson). He's a below average player that we've offered average to above average money to. If best reason to be optimistic about a signing is "hey, the guy played with a superstar last year," shouldn't more fans be skeptical of the move?
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