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There's also one other point I am going to raise cause it hasn't been yet (as far as I can see): do we really want Colangelo making big moves? From an organizational perspective, it might be better to just use the 2012 on the BPA, make some minor deals (e.g. Barbosa, Bayless, Amir) and go into 2013 with Val, Bargs, 2012 1st, Derozan, Calderon and bench filler. Let it play out. If it fails, hand the reins to a new GM who will have some assets to work with going forward. Obviously, I say this as someone who has absolutely no confidence in this front office but, so far, I am fairly unimpressed with this rebuild, the talent they have, and the drafts picks that have been made. I really don't feel comfortable having Colangelo hand out $ in free agency this summer and bringing in FAs or making significant trades.
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostI agree.
We need good stater-quality players and it's highly doubtful either Morris or a late first round pick will amount to more than solid backups, if we are very lucky. Trading one of our starter-quality player for bench players is a losing recipe in my opinion.
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If Jose is moved to a contender like Dallas, Boston, Miami, or something of that sort. I want prospect guards back. Roddy Beabois, Avery Bradley and a pick, or Norris Cole or something like that. Prospect guards or draft picks is what I'm looking at if we are thinking of moving Calderon. Which I hope they don't do until off-season really.
Barbosa is playing inconsistently right now, but it doesn't matter due to the fact he's a veteran that can easily put up 16-20 points easily and change the pace of a game. So another contender is in place for him, or a package along with one of our power forwards would do a trick. Maybe grad a third team to grab a return player, money, draft.
These are major changes, but like I said, if there are going to be major changes, it's going to be with guys who aren't within the core of the rebuilding process i.e Demar/Andrea/Amir or Ed/JJ/BaylessTwitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.
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Mediumcore wrote: View PostDo as all teams that have a difficult time attracting star free agents do and tread carefully. Stock pile draft picks like Minnesota and maintain cap flexibility like Indiana did and strike when the time is right. I suppose this would fall under the minor change option.
I like this idea of doing that, especially with Val coming in, and our upcoming draft pick will most definitely be intriguing.Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostAgain, my assumption is something gets done through free agency or trade (most likely trade) with the extra cap space. You can only take back a rookie contracts, expiring contracts, and draft picks to get that space.
Toronto is not a choice destination for free agents and frankly, I would rather Colangelo be not tempted to make another Turk-like signing because he has cap space to spare and with the clock ticking on his contract renewal.
The Raptors can always amnesty Calderon if Superman or Deron Williams want to sign with the Raptors. I like Jose but a superstar he is not.
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Sign Wilson Chandler, Trade Barbosa, Davis, DeRozan and Bayless.
PG: Calderon
SG: Chandler
SF: Kleiza / James Johnson
PF: Bargnani / Amir Johnson
C: Valanciunas / Gray / Magloire (Mentor Role)
Trade Barbosa, Davis, DeRozan (If we can get Chandler ... if not keep him) and Bayless for draft picks, cap space, and bench.
We should get a top 5 pick this year and a decent cap space after this.
What you think????
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YoungGuns wrote: View PostPG: Calderon
SG: Chandler
SF: Kleiza / James Johnson
PF: Bargnani / Amir Johnson
C: Valanciunas / Gray / Magloire (Mentor Role)
Trade Barbosa, Davis, DeRozan (If we can get Chandler ... if not keep him) and Bayless for draft picks, cap space, and bench.
We should get a top 5 pick this year and a decent cap space after this.
What you think????
That team is just as good as the one we have now, maybe 2 or 3 more wins. Keep Bayless and Derozan.
Trade away Calderon, Barbosa, and either one of the young PF's, whichever one has the higher trade value. Try and get a lottery pick 14-up because no one is going to give the top 14 pick out especially with the players we have to offer.
PG - Bayless/LotteryPick
SG - Demar/Forbes
SF - Glichrist or Barnes?/JJ/Kleiza
PF - Primo pasta and sauce/Amir or Ed?
C - Valanciunas/Gray/Magloire
If we can grab Chandler make him the sixth man off the bench behind MKG or Barnes/Derozan. Ship Kleiza for a shooter? Or a veteran point guard OTHER than Anthony Carter, maybe sign bibby in the off-season cause he's on a 1 year contract with NY.Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.
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RaptorReuben wrote: View PostKleiza is not a starting three, he isn't even a starting three over JJ, and B.C wouldn't trade Demar unless it was for someone like O.J Mayo or Rudy Gay.
That team is just as good as the one we have now, maybe 2 or 3 more wins. Keep Bayless and Derozan.
Trade away Calderon, Barbosa, and either one of the young PF's, whichever one has the higher trade value. Try and get a lottery pick 14-up because no one is going to give the top 14 pick out especially with the players we have to offer.
PG - Bayless/LotteryPick
SG - Demar/Forbes
SF - Glichrist or Barnes?/JJ/Kleiza
PF - Primo pasta and sauce/Amir or Ed?
C - Valanciunas/Gray/Magloire
If we can grab Chandler make him the sixth man off the bench behind MKG or Barnes/Derozan. Ship Kleiza for a shooter? Or a veteran point guard OTHER than Anthony Carter, maybe sign bibby in the off-season cause he's on a 1 year contract with NY.
I agree with your thoughts on DeRozan, Barbosa and one of Davis/Amir.
I'm so torn on Calderon. For me, I'd only trade him in an exceptional deal, because I think he would be great running a starting lineup featuring Valanciunas, Bargnani, Barnes/MKG and DeRozan (or Gay/Mayo, if I could dream big). I also think he would be valuable as a mentor for a young pass-first PG (and no, Bayless will never be that player).
As for Chandler, I fear that some team will overpay for him so much, that he will be paid way too much to be a sixth man. Especially at a position where the Raptors would have Barnes/MKG, JJ and Kleiza.
And for the record, the proper spelling of the starting PF in your proposed lineup is "Bargnani". Show a little respect.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostAny 2012-2013 Raptors team that features Bayless as the starting PG, is an epic fail before the season even tips off!
I agree with your thoughts on DeRozan, Barbosa and one of Davis/Amir.
I'm so torn on Calderon. For me, I'd only trade him in an exceptional deal, because I think he would be great running a starting lineup featuring Valanciunas, Bargnani, Barnes/MKG and DeRozan (or Gay/Mayo, if I could dream big). I also think he would be valuable as a mentor for a young pass-first PG (and no, Bayless will never be that player).
As for Chandler, I fear that some team will overpay for him so much, that he will be paid way too much to be a sixth man. Especially at a position where the Raptors would have Barnes/MKG, JJ and Kleiza.
And for the record, the proper spelling of the starting PF in your proposed lineup is "Bargnani". Show a little respect.
Bayless has shown his potential to run the team very well. I.e last season vs the Knicks when he has like 20 points and 8 assists or something like that, when Jose was injured last season, he stepped up and did what he was told to do. And since this team is looking at young guys, from the ground up, Bayless may not BE the Ideal guy, but with his potential, he can be He just hasn't had the opportunity to "Jeremy Lin."
I agree with your Chandler point, with Casey coaching and BC there, Chandler isn't starting over Demar or MKG/Barnes.Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostI disagree with the approach.
Toronto is not a choice destination for free agents and frankly, I would rather Colangelo be not tempted to make another Turk-like signing because he has cap space to spare and with the clock ticking on his contract renewal.
The Raptors can always amnesty Calderon if Superman or Deron Williams want to sign with the Raptors. I like Jose but a superstar he is not.
In this post I even say: '...something gets done through free agency or trade (most likely trade) with the extra cap space.'
I don't mean to snap but cap space is not strictly for free agency. And I 100% agree Toronto is not a choice destination for free agents which is why, I feel, a trade is the route to go.
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