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Tesla wrote: View PostWell you'd have to think about it, we ARE getting MKG in return. That is reason enough to take the deal IMO.If Your Uncle Jack Helped You Off An Elephant, Would You Help Your Uncle Jack Off An Elephant?
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Garbo wrote: View PostTrue, and with all of this talk of Nash signing in Toronto I feel as if Thomas could be used well. If we had #2 I'd be far more interested in Beal than MKG.
Nash / Calderon / Mchadoo?
Derozan / Beal / Bayless
JJ / Kleiza
Bargnani / Amir / Davis
Valenciunas / Thomas / (other #2 pick)
A package of Derozan, Davis, JJ and next years first round could be used for a Gay or an Igoudala or a Josh Smith. We'd have big money locked in on Amir and Thomas but it would be off in three years when we need to resign our young guys. Not to mention the Calderon trade that would come in all of this. I'd jump at it. Swing for the fences baby
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MangoKid wrote: View PostI don't believe you could absorb Thomas' contract, re-sign Bayless and sign Nash, unless you're giving him the lle. I wonder if he'd sign for that.
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Garbo wrote: View PostTrue, and with all of this talk of Nash signing in Toronto I feel as if Thomas could be used well. If we had #2 I'd be far more interested in Beal than MKG.
Nash / Calderon / Mchadoo?
Derozan / Beal / Bayless
JJ / Kleiza
Bargnani / Amir / Davis
Valenciunas / Thomas / (other #2 pick)
A package of Derozan, Davis, JJ and next years first round could be used for a Gay or an Igoudala or a Josh Smith. We'd have big money locked in on Amir and Thomas but it would be off in three years when we need to resign our young guys. Not to mention the Calderon trade that would come in all of this. I'd jump at it. Swing for the fences baby
So it would be something like this:
1) 3 team deal: DeRozan & JJ & #8 to Memphis, Davis & #25 & #37 & TPE to Charlotte, Gay & Thomas & #2 to Toronto
2) trade to dump Calderon's salary
3) Bayless & #56 to Phoenix, Nash to Toronto
4) draft Beal @ #2
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C: Valanciunas, ???
PF: Bargnani, Amir, Thomas
SF: Gay, Kleiza
SG: Beal, Forbes
PG: Nash, ???
- would be about $6M over the cap already
- still need to fill backup PG & backup C (could do so in the mystery Calderon deal, pushing them further over the cap)
- MLE would still be available, but could push them close to the luxury tax threshold
I really don't see Charlotte doing the deal without getting #8. I also don't see Memphis doing a deal for Gay without getting a top-10 pick in this year's deep draft. It's a great idea, but there's really no way a stud SF (ie: Gay) and Nash could both possibly be added to a Raptor team that takes on Thomas' contract (unless they amnesty Amir, but that's a lot of cash to pay and Thomas is a below-average backup PF).
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Garbo wrote: View PostTrue, and with all of this talk of Nash signing in Toronto I feel as if Thomas could be used well. If we had #2 I'd be far more interested in Beal than MKG.
Nash / Calderon / Mchadoo?
Derozan / Beal / Bayless
JJ / Kleiza
Bargnani / Amir / Davis
Valenciunas / Thomas / (other #2 pick)
A package of Derozan, Davis, JJ and next years first round could be used for a Gay or an Igoudala or a Josh Smith. We'd have big money locked in on Amir and Thomas but it would be off in three years when we need to resign our young guys. Not to mention the Calderon trade that would come in all of this. I'd jump at it. Swing for the fences baby
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LBF wrote: View PostUnless MKG is the consensus to go top 2. Your point is completely irrelevent.
IF Colangelo really wanted someone like MKG or Beal, he's better off waiting and trying to trade for them using the flexibility and assets he already has, vs. taking on the Thomas albatross and giving away half his flexibility, all for... a rookie who hasn't proven he can score in the halfcourt (MKG), one who hasn't proven he can run a team (Beal), or one with similarly unproven talents (name anyone other than Anthony Davis)...
I think the waiting for the draft is making people crazy.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostAre you assuming the Raps wouldn't have to give #8 to Charlotte?
So it would be something like this:
1) 3 team deal: DeRozan & JJ & #8 to Memphis, Davis & #25 & #37 & TPE to Charlotte, Gay & Thomas & #2 to Toronto
2) trade to dump Calderon's salary
3) Bayless & #56 to Phoenix, Nash to Toronto
4) draft Beal @ #2
LINEUP
C: Valanciunas, ???
PF: Bargnani, Amir, Thomas
SF: Gay, Kleiza
SG: Beal, Forbes
PG: Nash, ???
- would be about $6M over the cap already
- still need to fill backup PG & backup C (could do so in the mystery Calderon deal, pushing them further over the cap)
- MLE would still be available, but could push them close to the luxury tax threshold
I really don't see Charlotte doing the deal without getting #8. I also don't see Memphis doing a deal for Gay without getting a top-10 pick in this year's deep draft. It's a great idea, but there's really no way a stud SF (ie: Gay) and Nash could both possibly be added to a Raptor team that takes on Thomas' contract (unless they amnesty Amir, but that's a lot of cash to pay and Thomas is a below-average backup PF).
Memphis would clearly much rather trade Randolph, but that is just not going to happen, so they may be forced to deal Gay and take the best offer they can get.
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Primer wrote: View PostI think Memphis would be willing to do a deal that included a future first. They are screwed cap wise with their entire cap ($58 million) tied up in 4 players (Randolph, Gay, Gasol, and Conley). If they trade Gay for DeRozan, JJ, Davis, and Raps first next year, they free up $8.5 million right away and get to test out 3 young players with potential on rookie contracts that will be restricted in a year (or 2 in Davis case). They also get a decent (likely mid teens) draft pick next year.
Memphis would clearly much rather trade Randolph, but that is just not going to happen, so they may be forced to deal Gay and take the best offer they can get.
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We dont need the number 2 pick! Dont we pretty much have the consensus #2 pick (jonas) joining our team this season? I actually think that not only will he challenge Davis for rookie of the year, he actually has a chance to win it. Plus, Tyrus Thomas!? Really!? Tyrus Thomas!?! Not worth it at all.
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thead wrote: View PostI would do this trade...also I eat paint
I didn't mean to propose a trade that should be taken too seriously, I was just thinking out loud.
If management believes in Beal (do they? I really do..), than they should do what it takes to get that talent on their team. We have Valenciunas coming over, so let's get this core together sooner than later. Bargnani, Val and Beal is a great core to start with and if you can bring in a veteran like Gay/Igoudala or Nash than you've really got something special. I genuinely think it's a realistic dream. Over the cap? Definitely, but amnesties and trades exist, and I didn't feel like mapping that out. My attention span wont allow me to read anything longer than the single paragraph responses, let alone write them.
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