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10 000 Hours wrote: View PostI find your talk in "absolutes" to be off base. To say he has no value is way too much of a polarizing statement. Of course he has value, we just aren't privy to the conversations BC and Ed have behind closed doors.mountio wrote: View Postok .. sorry, Ill make it more PC. There is a very low probability that other NBA teams are willing to trade assets for either Jose or Amir given their contracts. Having said that, Im a guy on a message board and havent been involved in BC's conversations, so of course I dont know for sure (nor does anyone else).
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If we only spoke about things that we knew to be absolutely true .. RR would be a pretty dull place ..
only a sith deals in absolutes.
to say that jose has no value is wrong. even if "he" had no value his 10 million expiring that could save a team the poison of being 1 year over the cap is very valuable. he is a strong fundamental pg who takes care of the ball and runs a very low mistake offense. there is a lot of value in that.
amir also has value but unfortunately there are a lot of players of his ilk in the league right now. so many athletic skinny 4/5s in the league that every team has at least one if not two of them.
to say that "jose has no value" is more than "not absolutely true" it is a complete fallacy. like if a baby falls twenty stories and i say he almost made it. although not absolutely true it's pretty far from it
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10 000 Hours wrote: View PostI wasn't trying to offend, or to be sarcastic, I was just stating my impression from your post.
If you have a difference of opinion and want to express why .. Im game for that .. but saying I dont know what Im talking about or my opinions arent valid because Im not privy to BC's conversations doesnt make a lot of sense to me ..
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Puffer wrote: View PostI'm trying to understand why Jose's expiring contract has value to some other team. but not to the Raptors? Can someone help me out? Am I that dense. Don't be kind, feed me the truth.
I think the Raptors see value for both reasons, or the idea of keeping him and re-signing him beyond next season, for much cheaper.
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Puffer wrote: View PostI'm trying to understand why Jose's expiring contract has value to some other team. but not to the Raptors? Can someone help me out? Am I that dense. Don't be kind, feed me the truth.
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Puffer wrote: View PostI'm trying to understand why Jose's expiring contract has value to some other team. but not to the Raptors? Can someone help me out? Am I that dense. Don't be kind, feed me the truth.
I think its actually a bit of an exageration of how people refer to expiring as so valuable. Yes, in the right situation, it provides a trade chip .. but there are lots of ways to trade for high contract players (see the Nets / Joe Johnson trade). The defense of the Fields contract as being ok because the $9mm will be an "asset" at the end is some of the worst logic I have ever heard ...
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most teams will try very hard to not be tax payers for 3 years out of 5. the penalties for this are very severe. new york and los angeles could most likely be the only teams willing to do it in the future. mark cuban is cutting his spending. thats how valuable that expirings are going to be.
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It has value in the sense that it could be included in a trade package for a larger, longer term contract. Think Joe Johnson .. if you were ATL (before you traded him to to the Nets) .. you can argue that swapping him for Jose + other stuff is a good thing because instead of oweing JJ another 4 years 80 mm, you owe Jose 10 mm next year and thats it. ...
Bite the bullet for a year, use Jose in the second unit, where he can work his magic with Jonas or Amir, or whoever, and then Raps can make him an offer on a new contract that is cheaper (4-5 million for a couple of years) and have some cap relief themselves. Jose would be an excellent back-up PG. If he is traded, will any new back-up PG bring equal value over the following few years? By all the stats available, Jose is one of the Raps better players. His defensive lapses will be diminished with the new staff coming on-board. That makes him more valuable, in my opinion.
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charlz wrote: View Post+1 yes.
this is just a glorified blog hack looking up and down salary of Raps and throwing darts in the dark.
why would we amnesty him? he will be even more useful this year in a reserve role....In fact we shouldn't be amnestying anybody unless it means we are picking up a superior talent. AMir and Calderon have value...it would be a completely idiotic move
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