Everything Terrence Ross

[blackjitsu]

There is nothing flawed about bringing up the Knicks. They have the 4 pick this year and are widely reported by every sports outlet as looking to deal the pick for a young all star caliber vet. The Knicks disprove your theory that no one is looking to trade those picks, as they are looking to trade that pick. They aren't worried about the cap implications, they're worried about fielding a competitive team while they still have Melo.

Firing Casey was obvious to us posters, but a lot of sports writers were saying we should keep him, so don't act like it was some universal consensus. The devil's advocate argument for keeping Casey is fairly strong, e.g. more wins each year, record wins back to back years, back to back playoff appearances after a super long drought, back to back division titles, top 3 OFF EFF, still under contract for $4M. It wasn't a slam dunk to fire him.

What I was saying is that whoever is the best player on the Raptors next year will probably get selected for the ASG, regardless of how good the team is. Someone on the team is going to score around 20 points a game, and get a ASG nod, deserved or not. It's like the Olympics where the host country automatically qualifies (2005 was the last time the host city didn't have a player in the game). If a player doesn't get voted in the coaches will select one. If the coaches don't a Raptor will be the first replacement player selected. If none get selected, then who gives a shit, it has no bearing on how much money the MLSE will make off the whole endeavor. The ASG easily sells out every year, regardless of where it is. The only guys the MLSE will care about being in the game are guys like Lebron and Curry, because that's who everyone is going to be there to see.

Not saying it's consensus. The people who are closest to the scenario and are emotionally invested see keeping Casey as a bad idea. Journalists who have no connection to the city disagree. If you look through my history it took me a while to reach the conclusion of firing Casey. And even after I did, I still pointed out that they couldn't replace the best coach in the history of the franchise (statistically) with just anyone. I pointed out that resumes matter, and that it was possible that the team kept him.

As far as the Knickerbockers, there is zero evidence that their front office is competent. They still have the same fiddling owner, who has quietly brought back Zeke into the organisation and the first thing they did was keep Carmelo, before anyone knew that the new TV deal was going to open up the financial situation.

They then overpaid for a rookie head coach who is trying to install an offensive system that doesn't match the personnel and they lied to their fan base with fictional ideas that the team had a chance to make the playoffs. Then, the Knicks traded their 2 best defensive players (who both made the playoffs on new teams) as well. That's all under PJ's watch.

None of that tells me that they are competent.

As far as the best player from the home team getting selected -- there's always the exception that proves the rule. You're right who gives a shit. The public will not care -- but it's not about us. It's about the private corporation's ability to make money from new revenue sources and having an All Star (or even better 2) would likely mean something for potential corporate sponsors.

[Primer]

Not saying it's consensus. The people who are closest to the scenario and are emotionally invested see keeping Casey as a bad idea. Journalists who have no connection to the city disagree. If you look through my history it took me a while to reach the conclusion of firing Casey. And even after I did, I still pointed out that they couldn't replace the best coach in the history of the franchise (statistically) with just anyone. I pointed out that resumes matter, and that it was possible that the team kept him.

As far as the Knickerbockers, there is zero evidence that their front office is competent. They still have the same fiddling owner, who has quietly brought back Zeke into the organisation and the first thing they did was keep Carmelo, before anyone knew that the new TV deal was going to open up the financial situation.

They then overpaid for a rookie head coach who is trying to install an offensive system that doesn't match the personnel and they lied to their fan base with fictional ideas that the team had a chance to make the playoffs. Then, the Knicks traded their 2 best defensive players (who both made the playoffs on new teams) as well. That's all under PJ's watch.

None of that tells me that they are competent.

As far as the best player from the home team getting selected -- there's always the exception that proves the rule. You're right who gives a shit. The public will not care -- but it's not about us. It's about the private corporation's ability to make money from new revenue sources and having an All Star (or even better 2) would likely mean something for potential corporate sponsors.

You said:
"Teams in the lottery want control. Who in the lottery is giving that up for a year (or 2) of Demar?"

So I brought up the Knicks, who are in the lottery and want to deal their pick for a player like Demar.

Then you responded with:
"Just wanted to point out how flawed using the Knicks as an example of anything is."

Which makes no god damn sense. The Knicks are a real life example of a team in the lottery that is willing to give up their pick.

No where ever did I say the Knicks are competent. Their fools who we should take advantage of.

[blackjitsu]

You said:
"Teams in the lottery want control. Who in the lottery is giving that up for a year (or 2) of Demar?"

So I brought up the Knicks, who are in the lottery and want to deal their pick for a player like Demar.

Then you responded with:
"Just wanted to point out how flawed using the Knicks as an example of anything is."

Which makes no god damn sense. The Knicks are a real life example of a team in the lottery that is willing to give up their pick.

No where ever did I say the Knicks are competent. Their fools who we should take advantage of.

So why are you using them as an example? How does that fit any paradigm of logic?

The original argument was about what the Raptors would do. No sensible team would trade their pick. If we're bringing up irrationality then there's no debate. Generally, when one says, " No one would ..." They are assuming a certain level of competency of others. Otherwise, why debate anything? There's always a crazy person, or someone's uncle who did too much, or saw too much back in 'Nam that will do anything.

If your point is to be right, then bravo, you're right! You got me! Didn't know we were playing a sport, but you won! This is a message board where we often have to decipher misspells and poor language. If you're criticizing me for not spelling out my argument to the nth degree, that's on you.

[Primer]

So why are you using them as an example? How does that fit any paradigm of logic?

The original argument was about what the Raptors would do. No sensible team would trade their pick. If we're bringing up irrationality then there's no debate. Generally, when one says, " No one would ..." They are assuming a certain level of competency of others. Otherwise, why debate anything? There's always a crazy person, or someone's uncle who did too much, or saw too much back in 'Nam that will do anything.

If your point is to be right, then bravo, you're right! You got me! Didn't know we were playing a sport, but you won! This is a message board where we often have to decipher misspells and poor language. If you're criticizing me for not spelling out my argument to the nth degree, that's on you.

The Knicks aren't an example of a paradigm of logic. They are a team, in the lottery, that currently is looking to trade their pick. You said no one would trade their pick, and I showed you a team that is currently looking to trade their pick, it's that simple. Whether it's sensible or not for the Knicks to be looking to trade their pick, the fact remains they are looking to trade their pick.

I'm not talking about broader observations of team logic, just a straightforward statement of who is actively shopping their pick right now.

[IwishIwasZachLowe]

Trade JV for Cauley Stein? Lol he's going to be a bust, why would we need him?

People have to slow down on the draft talk. Who's to say Cauley Stein isn't going to be the next Tyson Chandler? He maybe a bust, but what did he do in College that does not translate well to the NBA? This is a Skip Bayless line, just rip on a guy and through out a general opinion not backed up by any stats. I'd love to have Cauley Stein on this team, at what expense Im not sure, but there is nothing in his game that says BUST to me. He's an elite defender with tremendous athleticism and more lateral quickness than most centres in the NBA.

Please explain.

[ebrian]

Here's a rumor.. Never heard of the site though so who knows.

http://en.yibada.com/articles/36661/...olas-batum.htm

Lakers offer Jordan Hill and a low pick for Ross? I dunno, seems kinda funny to have Batum and Ross in the same rumor. I'd take Batum in a heart beat.

[IwishIwasZachLowe]

I know Ross has been kinda shitty for a while now, Hill would help but would bolt after a year. So, are you willing to trade Ross for late picks? Unless R.C. Buford is drafting for us, then I'd say no.

[Primer]

I know Ross has been kinda shitty for a while now, Hill would help but would bolt after a year. So, are you willing to trade Ross for late picks? Unless R.C. Buford is drafting for us, then I'd say no.

Yep, I don't think we get a better player than Ross with the 27th pick. Hill doesn't move the needle for me at all.

[ceez]

Hill's a pretty decent PF, albeit definitely a bench player. if you get #27 can you package it with #20 to move up? That's what i'd be looking at. if you can, i'd do the deal.

could use the 34th pick to take Lucas

[IwishIwasZachLowe]

If we were building a soccer team, the Raptors with Lucas, Bebe and Bruno would be stacked. Probably instantly better than TFC.

[Mess]

Here's a rumor.. Never heard of the site though so who knows.

http://en.yibada.com/articles/36661/...olas-batum.htm

Lakers offer Jordan Hill and a low pick for Ross? I dunno, seems kinda funny to have Batum and Ross in the same rumor. I'd take Batum in a heart beat.

I think the actual rumours in that article are that Jordan Hill is valuable trade asset and that Terrence Ross is a reliable swingman. That Bleacher Report "report" uses the term "athletic intensity off the bench" to describe Hill's game. Yeah those were some intense and athletic 18 footers he jacked up this season.

[MACK11]

I think the actual rumours in that article are that Jordan Hill is valuable trade asset and that Terrence Ross is a reliable swingman. That Bleacher Report "report" uses the term "athletic intensity off the bench" to describe Hill's game. Yeah those were some intense and athletic 18 footers he jacked up this season.

He'd instantly become DeMar's best friend

[Bonus Jonas]

Here's a rumor.. Never heard of the site though so who knows.

http://en.yibada.com/articles/36661/...olas-batum.htm

Lakers offer Jordan Hill and a low pick for Ross? I dunno, seems kinda funny to have Batum and Ross in the same rumor. I'd take Batum in a heart beat.

I don't hate it.

Throw Hill in as our back up C.

[Primer]

I don't hate it.

Throw Hill in as our back up C.

Is that a good return for Ross though? I liked the Taj Gibson trade idea, this one, not so much, unless there is someone we love at 27 on draft day.

[planetmars]

It's pretty bad when you have to deal Ross for a guy like Hill. His value has plummeted after the playoff loss to Brooklyn last year.