I am actually very tired of whatever spin comes out of Bryan's mouth. Maybe because it is simply always spin.
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Remember the talk about getting rid of Lowry, while he was on the bench and Jose was playing so well? Then Lowry comes back and plays in a different style and he is suddenly a great and wonderful thing. I am expecting Bargs to come back and play differently. Casey has increased his power within the organization by having a winning team. I believe he can now dictate to AB how he will play or Bargs will ride the pine.
Andrea must have personal pride. I don't think it is possible to be a player at this level of competition without pride. If he wants to play, I think he will have to satisfy the coach with his play. That means the Andrea from last years magic 13 game stretch. If he plays like that, BC may be able to trade him. If he doesn't come back from his injury soon enough, and demonstrate that capability, it may be very hard to move him. I am still extremely conflicted about Andrea. Like the spouse who keeps hoping their alcoholic partner can stay of the booze "this" time. Some alcoholics do manage to stop drinking. Can a seven foot Italian shooter learn to lay defence?
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Puffer wrote: View PostThat means the Andrea from last years magic 13 game stretch. If he plays like that, BC may be able to trade him.
Bargnani is a catch-22: Some fans want to trade him because he wasn't playing well -> he has to play well in order for us to trade him -> If he plays well we won't (or shouldn't) want to trade him.
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KHD wrote: View PostIf he plays like that, why the hell would we trade him?
Bargnani is a catch-22: Some fans want to trade him because he wasn't playing well -> he has to play well in order for us to trade him -> If he plays well we won't (or shouldn't) want to trade him.
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planetmars wrote: View PostThe problem is that Bargnani is consistently inconsistent. If he plays well, does that guarantee that he will continue to play well? 7 years have proven (to me anyway) that he will not be able to keep it up.
Same as you, that was my assumption, and why I talked about the possibility of a trade if he shows something. As I mention in another thread I am conflicted about Bargs...but I recognize the tendency to overvalue what you have. If he starts playing well, it is silly to expect it to continue given the history. So take advantage of someone else's fantasy of a consistently strongly motivated Bargnani, and trade him.
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ebrian wrote: View PostThat sample size talk is absolutely ludicrous. Even as we win games I continue to support the firing of this guy. He's clueless.
If there's any downside to the team's recent surge, it's that the heat has started to come off of Colangelo. Consider me still in the camp that thinks giving BC another extension in Toronto would be insane. In the meantime, I no longer want to hear the constant stream of spin from him where he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
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I'm all for trading Bargs, but we need to get value back. He does have value to this team. I think he would thrive coming in as a sixth man subbing Ed and Jonas. He has to buy into Casey's system though. The days of him parking his ass on the three point line is over. Either he plays like a PF/C or he is out the door. It's nice that we now have other options, and we can simply say "sit your ass down".
The other key is not take away minutes from Ed or Jonas. They should still get starters minutes.
Basically I would like to see if this has lit a fire under Bargs ass and if he would actually make us better in that role.
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hateslosing wrote: View PostWhat if Bargs comes back, buys in, and plays out of his mind the rest of the year? Will people still want him moved?
I don't wish anything ill on Bargnani and I certainly don't know him as a person. But his time as a Raptor is up in my opinion. It is in his best interests and the franchise's best interests. I think both will have more success a part than they will together.
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hateslosing wrote: View PostWhat if Bargs comes back, buys in, and plays out of his mind the rest of the year? Will people still want him moved?“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King
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saints91 wrote: View PostSadly I can't really see any team that would benefit from trading for him.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostIt is probably selfish on my part but yes. We've seen this act before. I know in the back of my mind I'll always be questioning and wondering when will he become disinterested again. Plus, I think there has been too much favouritism displayed to him by management and coaches. The comments from DC at the start of the year about no one having a guaranteed starting spot but Bargnani and the numerous referrals to he is our main guy/come hell or high water/etc. make me wake up at night with cold sweats.
I don't wish anything ill on Bargnani and I certainly don't know him as a person. But his time as a Raptor is up in my opinion. It is in his best interests and the franchise's best interests. I think both will have more success a part than they will together.
Balls of Steel wrote: View PostBuys into meaning taking less shots and defending and grabbing 3 more rebounds (total 8) per game. It's just insane to think that's possible after 7 years. In short, NO."Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
-Churchill
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