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planetmars wrote: View PostI would love Gay in a Raptors uniform, but I would rather have Millsap. I just don't see them being able to get both. Gay will eat a lot of that cap space up ($17M next season), and with their roster adding up to $59M in salaries next season, the Raptors would have to reduce a lot of salary to be able to get about $11/$12M under the cap to get Millsap.
$59M + $17M (Gay) = $76M
---> the cap is at $58M.. and say they raise it to $63M the Raptors would still have to shed $24/$25M so that they get about $11M under the cap and that does not include Jose's salary since it would already be off the books.
Even if they included DeMar in a trade, they still wouldn't have enough if they amnestied Andrea. They would have to create a wild 3 or 4 team trade that included both Andrea and DeMar, and then look to amnesty Kleiza.
I just don't see it happening.
Of course they could trade for Millsap and then use his Bird Rights to resign him. Something like this.
2. trade Bargnani for salary relief (ie: expiring contract, non-guaranteed contract)
3. amnesty Kleiza (#2 & #3 could be reversed)
That would leave them with enough cap space to go after a top free agent PF, while still having both Davis/Amir on the roster. They could free up more space by trading one of them (and going after a legit C to play behind Valanciunas).
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostI actually did say that in an earlier post, completely unrelated to Gay. I said that I would support trading AA while his value was at its highest, considering he's not in the long-term plans for the team.
Two realistic suggestions I gave were:
1) trade AA for 1 or 2 2nd round picks
2) trade AA & 1 of Toronto's 2nd round picks for a mid-late 1st round pick (ie: to a playoff team)
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BasketballCrush wrote: View PostAlso our team thrives on ball movement. We have players that are most effective when they get shots. Not so sure about getting Gay and him demanding a certain amount of touches.
Again no one has addressed the elephant in the room? Why bolt from a 23-10 team? For touches? Please tell me that is not the reason.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post1. trade DeRozan & Calderon for Gay
2. trade Bargnani for salary relief (ie: expiring contract, non-guaranteed contract)
3. amnesty Kleiza (#2 & #3 could be reversed)
That would leave them with enough cap space to go after a top free agent PF, while still having both Davis/Amir on the roster. They could free up more space by trading one of them (and going after a legit C to play behind Valanciunas).
(I like Derozan as a player, as human being, but I think Gay is much more valuable and I just don't think Derozan will ever step out of the shadows)Last edited by BasketballCrush; Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:52 PM.
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BasketballCrush wrote: View PostAlso our team thrives on ball movement. We have players that are most effective when they get shots. Not so sure about getting Gay and him demanding a certain amount of touches.
Again no one has addressed the elephant in the room? Why bolt from a 23-10 team? For touches? Please tell me that is not the reason.
Secondly, why is wanting a change of scenery considered so evil? If Gay feels he's under-utilized, and blamed by the media/fanbase, then a fresh start could be exactly what the doctor ordered.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post1. trade DeRozan & Calderon for Gay
2. trade Bargnani for salary relief (ie: expiring contract, non-guaranteed contract)
3. amnesty Kleiza (#2 & #3 could be reversed)
That would leave them with enough cap space to go after a top free agent PF, while still having both Davis/Amir on the roster. They could free up more space by trading one of them (and going after a legit C to play behind Valanciunas).
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostNo, I respect Memphis's decision to focus on their bigs, considering the advantage that the combination of Gasol/Randolph gives them. It's clear that Gay has been their #3 option, which is likely a big reason why his numbers aren't what they could be and why he is likely frustrated (especially when their home fanbase attacks him for not putting up bigger numbers, as if he were their #1 option).
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Nilanka wrote: View PostFirstly, we don't know if he wants out. It's just speculation, isn't it? It's not like he's publicly demanding a trade.
Secondly, why is wanting a change of scenery considered so evil? If Gay feels he's under-utilized, and blamed by the media/fanbase, then a fresh start could be exactly what the doctor ordered.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post1. trade DeRozan & Calderon for Gay
2. trade Bargnani for salary relief (ie: expiring contract, non-guaranteed contract)
3. amnesty Kleiza (#2 & #3 could be reversed)
That would leave them with enough cap space to go after a top free agent PF, while still having both Davis/Amir on the roster. They could free up more space by trading one of them (and going after a legit C to play behind Valanciunas).
Kleiza for an expiring contract may be more reasonable but even then he's been injured quite often so I'm not sure what his value would be like among other teams.
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Nilanka wrote: View Post
He's better than any player on our roster. And what attitude issues? The fact that he ideally wants more touches? That's 90% of NBA players.
EDIT: If there's one thing this team is lacking, it's players who demand the ball in pressure situations.
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I don't know about you guys but I am having a blast with the current squad we have. Even Jose. I look forward to watching games. I enjoy watching this team rise from the ashes like a phoenix and beating up on teams.
I really am entrtained as a fan, and I can't remember having the strut I have today and I have been a raptor fan for a long long time.
Mind you, reverse it to last month, and I would not have said a peep in this thread.
I am a bliever in not touching what is working, I would like Memphis to sweat it out, I don't want to rush out and trade. Also, why is that we are always the ones begging for dance partners. I want another team to be courting us.Last edited by BasketballCrush; Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:04 PM.
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