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  • slaw wrote: View Post

    I don't think the Leonard trade is a good precedent for trades cause there were lots of unique circumstances surrounding that deal. Generally speaking, teams aren't trading for stars unless those guys are committed long term or are purely rental players for a championship run.
    Yeah, the Kawhi trade was a perfect storm of him have zero options as well as the Spurs not getting any better offers. He needed to play somewhere so he can showcase himself to the Clippers which is where he wanted to end up.

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    • slaw wrote: View Post

      I don't think the Leonard trade is a good precedent for trades cause there were lots of unique circumstances surrounding that deal. Generally speaking, teams aren't trading for stars unless those guys are committed long term or are purely rental players for a championship run.
      Committed long term equals under contract. Dame was committed long term if we traded for him. Don't assume they will resign when their contract is up but very safe to assume they will play out the contract so trade for them. We're never gonna convince anyone to badly wanna come to Toronto just not gonna happen so let's not pretend it will.

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      • If we only trade for guys who really want to play in Toronto we will trade for no one of any relevance.

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        • This guy will be in the running for the DPOY

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          • The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post
            This guy will be in the running for the DPOY

            That's what I was just thinking. If we're top 3 in team D, OG should be top 3 in DPOY.

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            • SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post

              That's what I was just thinking. If we're top 3 in team D, OG should be top 3 in DPOY.
              Praying to the BBALL gods that he stays healthy.

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              • SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post

                That's what I was just thinking. If we're top 3 in team D, OG should be top 3 in DPOY.
                The main thing holding him back would be position bias. The award almost always goes to PF/C. Really rare for a SG/SF to win it.

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                • Primer wrote: View Post

                  The main thing holding him back would be position bias. The award almost always goes to PF/C. Really rare for a SG/SF to win it.
                  https://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/39

                  Four Cs in the past 10 years.
                  Only Kawhi made it for 2 years in a row.

                  Raptors has to win a lot for OG to get it, like what Smart did in 2022.

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                  • Kagemusha wrote: View Post

                    https://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/39

                    Four Cs in the past 10 years.
                    Only Kawhi made it for 2 years in a row.

                    Raptors has to win a lot for OG to get it, like what Smart did in 2022.
                    It's not just about winning a lot. That's important. But mostly we need to be a top 3 defensive team for him to even qualify.

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                    • If this offense generates looks for an efficient 20ppg from OG, and we're somehow in that 4/5th conversation range, is an allstar nod out of the question? Or too much vote-splitting between our 3 forwards who'll all be killing it if we can get off to that start...

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                      • What is OGs max anyways? If the top contracts for the supposedly top players are getting 60AAV, then OG at 40AAV seems reasonable actually. 5yr/150M would be a steal.

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                        • JawsGT wrote: View Post
                          What is OGs max anyways? If the top contracts for the supposedly top players are getting 60AAV, then OG at 40AAV seems reasonable actually. 5yr/150M would be a steal.
                          I think Rockets showed us that it takes one team to throw stupid money at the guy.
                          Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                          • JawsGT wrote: View Post
                            What is OGs max anyways? If the top contracts for the supposedly top players are getting 60AAV, then OG at 40AAV seems reasonable actually. 5yr/150M would be a steal.
                            OG's max is 30% of the cap space with 8% raises.

                            Current projection is $142M for next season. 30% of that is $42.6M

                            So a 5 year deal would look like this per year:

                            2024 - $42.6M
                            2025 - $46.008M
                            2026 - $49.416M
                            2027 - $52.824M
                            2028 - $56.232M

                            Total: $247.08M or an AAV of $49.416M

                            So about $50M a year. Pascal would get the same max / contract if he isn't qualified for a super max (has to make all-nba).

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                            • Kagemusha wrote: View Post

                              https://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/39

                              Four Cs in the past 10 years.
                              Only Kawhi made it for 2 years in a row.

                              Raptors has to win a lot for OG to get it, like what Smart did in 2022.
                              7 in the past 10 years, I said PF/C and those guys all play a lot of C too. Kawhi and Smart are the only guys on the list that never play C.

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                              • planetmars wrote: View Post

                                OG's max is 30% of the cap space with 8% raises.

                                Current projection is $142M for next season. 30% of that is $42.6M

                                So a 5 year deal would look like this per year:

                                2024 - $42.6M
                                2025 - $46.008M
                                2026 - $49.416M
                                2027 - $52.824M
                                2028 - $56.232M

                                Total: $247.08M or an AAV of $49.416M

                                So about $50M a year. Pascal would get the same max / contract if he isn't qualified for a super max (has to make all-nba).
                                The % of cap is all that matters. The cap will go up 10% every year so the deal will get better over time. People looking at the $s will have a very distorted view of what it means for the team.

                                Raptors need to pay OG whatever the market dictates. If it's a max then so be it.

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