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  • DanH wrote: View Post
    Pretty sure that vid is from before last season.
    You seem to be correct...i think that behind the back dribble doesn't go as well when there's a defender to pick it. Let's wait and see what this year's video shows (shrug emoji)

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    • Jclaw wrote: View Post

      You seem to be correct...i think that behind the back dribble doesn't go as well when there's a defender to pick it. Let's wait and see what this year's video shows (shrug emoji)
      He doesn't need anything fancy. If he ever develops what Kawhi does (gets to his spot, uses his strength and pulls up for a jumper), he'll be great. He is able to catch the ball, pump fake, take a dribble or two and pull up for a mid range pretty well now. Creating it himself is the next step.

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      • A.I wrote: View Post

        He doesn't need anything fancy. If he ever develops what Kawhi does (gets to his spot, uses his strength and pulls up for a jumper), he'll be great. He is able to catch the ball, pump fake, take a dribble or two and pull up for a mid range pretty well now. Creating it himself is the next step.
        Exactly, a dribble and step to create space for mid range shot is required. Hes already shown flashes of that. Then he just needs a counter for those defenders able to stick to him a bit tighter. Hes one of the few players on the team I hope exploits the mid range, along with barnes and trent, maybe a little for dragic. Everyone else should be behind the arc or at the rim.

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        • His hesitations and crossovers have another level, or two, or more, to get his shoulder past his man where it’s lights out. But it’s just nuts how far he’s come.

          He’s surprised me with his acumen as a distance shooter every season he’s been in but with his quick, confident form and growing arsenal of fakes and side steps, this could be his year to emerge as one of the league’s best all round 3 point shooters.

          I wonder if he comes back with a bit more lift to his release point to make him more difficult to contest but who am I to complain?

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            • Jclaw wrote: View Post

              You seem to be correct...i think that behind the back dribble doesn't go as well when there's a defender to pick it. Let's wait and see what this year's video shows (shrug emoji)
              my guess is he works on footwork.. a lot of times when he get into the mid range he struggled with where to place his footwork .. whether to spin into the middle or away. This is what he needs to work on. Footwork can make a big difference. The other thing is being patient.... sometimes holding on to the dribble for an extra second longer opens up lanes..

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              • Been thinking about OG. All his stats so far basically mirror Mr. Fun guy. He's built like Mr. Fun guy, he plays defense like Mr Fun guy, they even have some similarities offensively. What would happen if instead of making siakam #1 option, we look to OG right from game #1.
                We could see another big step.......

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                • Dvdvideo wrote: View Post
                  Been thinking about OG. All his stats so far basically mirror Mr. Fun guy. He's built like Mr. Fun guy, he plays defense like Mr Fun guy, they even have some similarities offensively. What would happen if instead of making siakam #1 option, we look to OG right from game #1.
                  We could see another big step.......
                  Year 1:
                  OG - 6ppg, 2.5rpg, 0.7apg, 0.7spg, 58.7 TS%, 12.4 USG%
                  Kawhi - 7.9ppg, 5.1rpg, 1.1apg, 1.3spg, 57.3 TS%, 14.5 USG%

                  Year 2:
                  OG - 7ppg, 2.9rpg, 0.7apg, 0.7spg, 54.4 TS%, 15.5 USG%
                  Kawhi - 11.9ppg, 6.0rpg, 1.6apg, 1.7spg, 59.2 TS%, 16.4 USG%

                  Year 3:
                  OG - 10.6ppg, 5.3rpg, 1.6apg, 1.4spg, 60.0 TS%, 14.3 USG%
                  Kawhi - 12.8ppg, 6.2rpg, 2.0apg, 1.7spg, 60.2 TS%, 18.3 USG%

                  Year 4:
                  OG - 15.9ppg, 5.5rpg, 2.2apg, 1.5spg, 60.5 TS%, 19.3 USG%
                  Kawhi - 16.5ppg, 7.2rpg, 2.5apg, 2.3spg, 56.7 TS%, 23.0 USG%

                  Year 5:
                  OG - ??????
                  Kawhi - 21.2ppg, 6.8rpg, 2.6apg, 1.8spg, 61.6 TS%, 25.8 USG%


                  Year 5 was Kawhi's biggest leap. His usage also grew to over 25%. Not sure OG gets there, but the big leap could be coming for OG as well.

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                  • planetmars wrote: View Post

                    Year 1:
                    OG - 6ppg, 2.5rpg, 0.7apg, 0.7spg, 58.7 TS%, 12.4 USG%
                    Kawhi - 7.9ppg, 5.1rpg, 1.1apg, 1.3spg, 57.3 TS%, 14.5 USG%

                    Year 2:
                    OG - 7ppg, 2.9rpg, 0.7apg, 0.7spg, 54.4 TS%, 15.5 USG%
                    Kawhi - 11.9ppg, 6.0rpg, 1.6apg, 1.7spg, 59.2 TS%, 16.4 USG%

                    Year 3:
                    OG - 10.6ppg, 5.3rpg, 1.6apg, 1.4spg, 60.0 TS%, 14.3 USG%
                    Kawhi - 12.8ppg, 6.2rpg, 2.0apg, 1.7spg, 60.2 TS%, 18.3 USG%

                    Year 4:
                    OG - 15.9ppg, 5.5rpg, 2.2apg, 1.5spg, 60.5 TS%, 19.3 USG%
                    Kawhi - 16.5ppg, 7.2rpg, 2.5apg, 2.3spg, 56.7 TS%, 23.0 USG%

                    Year 5:
                    OG - ??????
                    Kawhi - 21.2ppg, 6.8rpg, 2.6apg, 1.8spg, 61.6 TS%, 25.8 USG%


                    Year 5 was Kawhi's biggest leap. His usage also grew to over 25%. Not sure OG gets there, but the big leap could be coming for OG as well.
                    he will be close in the first month so that first month will be telling . My guess is his usage settles around 22% for the year.

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                    • planetmars wrote: View Post

                      Year 1:
                      OG - 6ppg, 2.5rpg, 0.7apg, 0.7spg, 58.7 TS%, 12.4 USG%
                      Kawhi - 7.9ppg, 5.1rpg, 1.1apg, 1.3spg, 57.3 TS%, 14.5 USG%

                      Year 2:
                      OG - 7ppg, 2.9rpg, 0.7apg, 0.7spg, 54.4 TS%, 15.5 USG%
                      Kawhi - 11.9ppg, 6.0rpg, 1.6apg, 1.7spg, 59.2 TS%, 16.4 USG%

                      Year 3:
                      OG - 10.6ppg, 5.3rpg, 1.6apg, 1.4spg, 60.0 TS%, 14.3 USG%
                      Kawhi - 12.8ppg, 6.2rpg, 2.0apg, 1.7spg, 60.2 TS%, 18.3 USG%

                      Year 4:
                      OG - 15.9ppg, 5.5rpg, 2.2apg, 1.5spg, 60.5 TS%, 19.3 USG%
                      Kawhi - 16.5ppg, 7.2rpg, 2.5apg, 2.3spg, 56.7 TS%, 23.0 USG%

                      Year 5:
                      OG - ??????
                      Kawhi - 21.2ppg, 6.8rpg, 2.6apg, 1.8spg, 61.6 TS%, 25.8 USG%


                      Year 5 was Kawhi's biggest leap. His usage also grew to over 25%. Not sure OG gets there, but the big leap could be coming for OG as well.
                      Masai did indicate he thinks that OG will hit another level this year. Pascal and FVV are no Duncan and Tony Parker, but if OG raises his offense to the same level as PS and FVV...we'd basically have 3 borderline All Stars on the roster. Having three guys that can create their own shots is a huge plus for any offense.
                      Last edited by LJ2; Thu Sep 23, 2021, 12:11 PM.

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                      • LJ2 wrote: View Post

                        Masai did indicate he thinks that OG will hit another level this year. Pascal and Siakam are no Duncan and Tony Parker, but if OG raises his offense to the same level as PS and FVV...we'd basically have 3 borderline All Stars on the roster. Having three guys that can create their own shots is a huge plus for any offense.
                        It would be hard for Pascal and Siakam to even just be Tim Duncan
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                        • WJF wrote: View Post

                          It would be hard for Pascal and Siakam to even just be Tim Duncan
                          Noted and edited, lol.

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                          • LJ2 wrote: View Post

                            Masai did indicate he thinks that OG will hit another level this year. Pascal and FVV are no Duncan and Tony Parker, but if OG raises his offense to the same level as PS and FVV...we'd basically have 3 borderline All Stars on the roster. Having three guys that can create their own shots is a huge plus for any offense.
                            Well keep in mind Duncan was 40 in his last year in a diminished role the year kawhi increased his scoring, Parker wasn't the same either, so he had most of the load.

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                            • LJ2 wrote: View Post

                              Masai did indicate he thinks that OG will hit another level this year. Pascal and FVV are no Duncan and Tony Parker, but if OG raises his offense to the same level as PS and FVV...we'd basically have 3 borderline All Stars on the roster. Having three guys that can create their own shots is a huge plus for any offense.
                              How? his ball handling, passing and finishing are all below average. If OG wants to be an iso option then he gotta be able to handle AND pass the ball. OG is so awkward with the ball in his hands because he dribbles the ball as high as his chest(not exaggerating here). That's why he turns the ball a lot everytime he tries to make a move. As for his finishing, he has no lift, and his awareness is also below average that's why his layups get blocked a lot. Am I supposed to believe that he's going to all of a sudden become a great ball handler, passer and finisher in year 5? it's like saying Ben Simmons will all of a sudden become a great shooter.
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                              • Dvdvideo wrote: View Post

                                Well keep in mind Duncan was 40 in his last year in a diminished role the year kawhi increased his scoring, Parker wasn't the same either, so he had most of the load.
                                There was a definite transition there where Kawhi was stepping up as The Guy after a few seasons filling a role. A little more muddled here in Toronto because it's not one guy stepping in post-Lowry, it's some combination of Fred/OG/Siakam plus we've got unknown but anticipated increasing contributions from guys like GTJ and Flynn and then we've got Barnes. Hard to say how this all shakes out as we've been discussing here recently, also hard to say if OG suddenly gets 5 more shots per game or whatever. Because that could easily not happen.
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