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Buddahfan wrote: View PostFirst you discard the numbers from baskeballvalue.com as meaningless saying as I recall that numbers can be manipulated then you proceed to attempt to defend Bargnani, but using numbers from selected games.
Geez.
End of conversation.
Then used the stats I thought were your reasoning to show they were weak. (BTW +/- stats are probably the least reliable basketball stat there is - I should have said that from the outset).
Then you put up the stats post.
Then I made the comment stats can be used to show anything and I would much rather see solid perimeter defenders playing with Bargnani. Also I like the match-up problems he poses over his defensive weaknesses.
Then you replied about something the last two seasons which I ignored and another comment that, IMO, is delusional which I also ignored.
Then you put up the above quoted comment.
Your contempt for Bargnani is not only clouding reality but now history.
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Bargnani- The Best Raptor Centre- Ever
Guys, it goes without saying. Bargs is without a doubt the best centre this team has ever had. Looking back at the other scrubs we've seen come through here, Bargs makes them all look like chumps.
We should be happy we have an all star like King Bargs on our team. Did you see the way he sliced and diced at MSG? 41 pts, inside, out.
Best centre this team has ever seen (and for my money, best player).
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Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto...ll-time_roster
Who has been a better Centre on this team??? Camby/Olaujuaiajoafwaon...gtf outta here
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When Antonio Davis was being used as a center, he was better in many aspects of the game than Bargnani is now. A dependable 14 and 9 guy who played solid defensively and and capable of a classic post-up center game, despite being undersized for the position. Bargnani is more skilled and talented, and I believe he'll become a far better center than Davis ever was, but right now he doesn't quite measure up to Davis in his prime.
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octothorp wrote: View PostWhen Antonio Davis was being used as a center, he was better in many aspects of the game than Bargnani is now. A dependable 14 and 9 guy who played solid defensively and and capable of a classic post-up center game, despite being undersized for the position. Bargnani is more skilled and talented, and I believe he'll become a far better center than Davis ever was, but right now he doesn't quite measure up to Davis in his prime.
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Multipaul wrote: View PostInteresting...but I don't think so. I never saw Davis drop 41 points on anyone, anytime, anyplace. Plus he had beef with Tdot.
atleast with Tone.. we wouldnt have had Nazi & Kwame abusing us...
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That doesn't say much to the quality of centre's the Raptors had over the years of being in existence.
Bargs is good but good in terms of being a second or a third option much like a Rashard Lewis and Okur were, if he is your number 1 scoring option then you are in trouble because you will have to tolerate his horrible D for long stretches (Okur and Lewis in their prime were also a bad defenders but their team defensive systems and the players surronding them were much more superior then what the Raptors currently have and therefore could tolerate/hide their indvidual's bad D for long stretches of the game).
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Does Bargnani Have Bad Knees?
Andrea’s tough night
Oddly detached was the way I first described Bargnani’s rather bad effort and I think that’s pretty suitable.
Two plays in particular:
There’s a loose ball under the basket right in front of the Toronto bench and Andrea’s about a foot away from it. Instead of bending at the knees or – heaven forbid! – diving to the floor, he made some half-buttocked effort to bend at the waist and pick the ball up before a Bobcat simply beat him to it and headed the other way.
Change of possession, Raptors are headed back on defence and I saw Boris Diaw, who is not the, um, most sculpted pro athlete I ever saw – simply beat Bargnani down the floor in a foot race.
Now, in Andrea’s defence, I will note that he didn’t do much or anything at shootaround Tuesday morning because his knees were a bit sore, and he did spend an awful lot of time after the game icing down, but they need a better effort than they got last night.
When they are hurting he stinks, when they are not he plays better than stinky
he made some half-buttocked effort to bend at the waist and pick the ball upAvatar: Riverboat Coffee House 134 Yorkville Ave. billboard of upcoming entertainers - Circa 1960s
Memories some so sweet, indeed
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“As a captain, I played furiously. I drew a lot of fouls, but I brought everything I had to every practice and to every game. I left everything on the court because I simply wanted the team to win”
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Matt52 wrote: View PostOh dear.... somewhere between Buddah's description and Multipaul's lies the truth.
This could be negatively affecting his game.
1. I never said he couldn't score
2. My main criticism of him has not even been about his lack of rebounding.
3. My problem is that is overall defense sucks and that is the truth whether some choose to believe it or not.
I like Bargnani as a sixth man when scoring is more important than defense in a lot of cases. Besides coming off of the bench he will only have to guard the likes of K. Brown? Oh he tried that last night.
In any case I see him as a nice sixth man or first big coming off of the bench.Avatar: Riverboat Coffee House 134 Yorkville Ave. billboard of upcoming entertainers - Circa 1960s
Memories some so sweet, indeed
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“As a captain, I played furiously. I drew a lot of fouls, but I brought everything I had to every practice and to every game. I left everything on the court because I simply wanted the team to win”
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Hotshot wrote: View PostThat doesn't say much to the quality of centre's the Raptors had over the years of being in existence.
Bargs is good but good in terms of being a second or a third option much like a Rashard Lewis and Okur were, if he is your number 1 scoring option then you are in trouble because you will have to tolerate his horrible D for long stretches (Okur and Lewis in their prime were also a bad defenders but their team defensive systems and the players surronding them were much more superior then what the Raptors currently have and therefore could tolerate/hide their indvidual's bad D for long stretches of the game).
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Buddahfan wrote: View PostSee my new thread on Bargnani's knee problems.
This could be negatively affecting his game.
1. I never said he couldn't score
2. My main criticism of him has not even been about his lack of rebounding.
3. My problem is that is overall defense sucks and that is the truth whether some choose to believe it or not.
I like Bargnani as a sixth man when scoring is more important than defense in a lot of cases. Besides coming off of the bench he will only have to guard the likes of K. Brown? Oh he tried that last night.
In any case I see him as a nice sixth man or first big coming off of the bench.
Just cuz Doug Smith said he was icing his knees doesnt mean he has knee problems. Doug Smith is like a lifesized troll bead.
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