Trade Bargnani threads are silly. He is a BYC player (difficult to trade) and is the only big on this team who has any polish to his offensive game. If the effort doesn't pick up maybe he'll be moved after the BYC thing is gone but until then he is going to be a part of this team.
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Trading Bargnani would be a great idea if we could gain more valuable assets, but the fact is he is a confident offensive force that creates match-up problems and still has potential to become a much more complete player. He'd definitely make for a great side-kick. He's also on a fair contract.
@Buddahfan: I understand the +/- stat and what that represents, but any fan of the game of basketball knows that stats only carry so much perspective. They don't show how Bargnani spreads the floor and takes the opposing bigs away from the basket. They don't count the number of double-teams or fouls he draws a game. They don't represent why the numbers are what they are... there are four more players on the floor at the same time he is. They don't take into account that he is a great value for this team from a trading and salary perspective.
Bargnani is our most valuable asset and his value is still rising. I think we should continue to support his development.
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Bargnani Showed His Value Tonight
There is a lot of critics of Bargnani - rightfully so. However, he does a lot of good for the Raptors. This was evident tonight versus the Bulls.
The Bulls are a very good defensive team (9th best in the league). However the Raptors had nothing going on offense. Part of this could be and is attributable to Calderon not playing however even in the three prior games without Calderon they have still averaged nearly 112 points per game.
Tonight with no Bargnani, the Bulls clogged the middle, gave the Raptors nothing, and dared Weems, DD, Kleiza, Wright, Davis and Johnson to beat them with jumpers. The only real threat to score from the outside was Bayless and Barbosa.
It is my opinion, Bargnani's mere presence creates opportunities for teammates by creating space and drawing the opposing teams bigs out of the key.
The Bargnani-Bashers will disagree but I'm just calling it like I see it tonight.
Regardless if Bargnani plays, sits, or is traded, the Raptors need to get better on the WINGS.
*EDIT: Forgot to mention the Raps were able to put up 106ppg against the top defensive team in the league, BOS*
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Matt52 wrote: View PostIt is my opinion, Bargnani's mere presence creates opportunities for teammates by creating space and drawing the opposing teams bigs out of the key.
The guy's still the best player on the team. They're not better when he's gone. It's also why they're heading for the lottery.
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This is a false premise and comparison.
Any team in the league which has it's starting centre and point guard not playing is bound to have a bad time of it. Especially against a team like the Bulls. The point being that it did not necessarily have to be Bargnani playing centre for the Raptors.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostThe Raps gave up 63 first half points without Bargnani. He is part of the problem, not THE problem.Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostThere is a lot of critics of Bargnani - rightfully so. However, he does a lot of good for the Raptors. This was evident tonight versus the Bulls.
The Bulls are a very good defensive team (9th best in the league). However the Raptors had nothing going on offense. Part of this could be and is attributable to Calderon not playing however even in the three prior games without Calderon they have still averaged nearly 112 points per game.
Tonight with no Bargnani, the Bulls clogged the middle, gave the Raptors nothing, and dared Weems, DD, Kleiza, Wright, Davis and Johnson to beat them with jumpers. The only real threat to score from the outside was Bayless and Barbosa.
It is my opinion, Bargnani's mere presence creates opportunities for teammates by creating space and drawing the opposing teams bigs out of the key.
The Bargnani-Bashers will disagree but I'm just calling it like I see it tonight.
Regardless if Bargnani plays, sits, or is traded, the Raptors need to get better on the WINGS.
*EDIT: Forgot to mention the Raps were able to put up 106ppg against the top defensive team in the league, BOS*Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
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YOU ARE RIGHT!
if bargs was playing we prob. loose by more & Boozer prob gets 54 instead of 34...LOL
he def. showed us all... his value! LOL
he def showed us we no worse off without him..
bulls are a good team & we prob. loose with bargs too...
atleast davis didnt get abused by Nazi & kwame & big Ben..
i bet even Hoffa would punish bargs in the post LOL
Boozer has made a living punishing people in the post...& alot have failed at guarding him... hes a beast..the kind of beast we needLast edited by DoNDaDDa; Thu Dec 16, 2010, 01:40 AM.
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Mack North wrote: View PostMy guess is blue balls, from hitting your chin a thousand thrusts-per-minute. No Homo.Last edited by Multipaul; Thu Dec 16, 2010, 02:53 AM.
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