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Mr.Grinch wrote: View PostBargs is better than every center except howard.
That said, you are drunk if you think that. Noah, Horford, Bogut and Marc Gasol were head and shoulders better than Bargnani, and Lopez, Gortat, Chandler, Okafor, Bynum, Perkins, Hibbert, Lopez and Kaman were arguably better. And I'm probably missing one or two more.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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tbihis wrote: View PostBosh is averaging 6.1 FTA per game. And that should be expected since he's 6'11 and should be playing on the low block. Bargnani is avg 5.3, just one attempt below Bosh and we all think Bargnani is crap. I know 18-8 is nothing to sneeze at but for a guy who was a "franchise" player a year before, if he was really that good, he should still be averaging the same numbers as the year before. But he's not. 2 other players on the same team are better than him. Thats why he's a role player now. And i believe he's always been a role player, but he was just making monster numbers because nobody else on the raps team could do it.
im not upset with him leaving, im upset with him as a person.
well, you just proved that he actually cant carry a team. with those win numbers, he indeed cant carry a team. and so does kobe. but the difference is, you put kobe with other superstars and he still dominates. you put bosh with other superstars, he's a role player. lebron dominated in cleveland, and you put him with wade he still dominated. wade dominated with shaq in miami, not with lebron, he still dominates games.
and about salaries, if you were the raptors, would you pay a guy 116 million to average 18-8 a night? i guess you would say that if he was with the raps, you pay him 16mil and he's avg 20-10. so you get another superstar in and he becomes a role player. he's not worth his salary anymore.
As for Bosh the person, I really have no opinion on him. I don't try and get caught up in whether I like or dislike a player personally. He never betrayed me because I was never all that invested in him in the first place. He was a member of my favourite team, but nothing beyond that. I certainly think he could have handled his leaving better, but I'm not going to pretend I know what he was thinking and I think it's ridiculous to pretend you know. I think he gave the Raptors 6 years and they failed to bring enough talent to get the team past the first round. I don't really blame him for wanting to leave, quite frankly.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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heinz57 wrote: View Posti'm done with hating bosh for how he left, and the douchebag he was... the past is the past.. leave it there
he still looks like vultureman from the thundercats..
and i LOATHE the Mutants of Plundarr with a passion.
so F$%& chris bosh"the raptors were my fav team growing up"-kevin durant
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Tim W. wrote: View PostWell, first of all, Bosh is averaging more free throws on 5 FEWER SHOTS PER GAME!!! And as the third option. Bargnani takes 18 shots per game and is the first option.
As for Bosh the person, I really have no opinion on him. I don't try and get caught up in whether I like or dislike a player personally. He never betrayed me because I was never all that invested in him in the first place. He was a member of my favourite team, but nothing beyond that. I certainly think he could have handled his leaving better, but I'm not going to pretend I know what he was thinking and I think it's ridiculous to pretend you know. I think he gave the Raptors 6 years and they failed to bring enough talent to get the team past the first round. I don't really blame him for wanting to leave, quite frankly.Eh follow my TWITTER!
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tbihis wrote: View PostIm not afraid to admit i genuinely hate the guy. I know that its been played over and over again but the way he played Toronto after the all star break last season still irks me to this day. And i hate Lebron too for what he did to cleveland, for the same reasons. I dont know why people still believe to this day that they decided at the last minute about signing with Miami, when the clues are now coming out slowly piece by piece. Them declaring that "boston was the reason for us joining forces" clearly indicates that they discussed playing together way before the offseason. or maybe they did call each other, in a three-way conference at 11:55 on June 30 and said to each other, hey its the last minute, we should decide now, lets all play for miami because of boston. thats a load of crap to me.
anyways, you failed to mention that while he was getting all these recognitions, the raptors only managed to make the playoffs twice. and while he was getting all these recognitions, no other superstar was on the raptors team. there were no legit scorers playing alongside him. he was averaging 17 shots a game, and that doesnt even count how many touches he gets in a game. so for him to be the focal point of the offense in every game, i think that was what was expected of him, and he delivered, i give him that, but he is a glorified role player because when carter was still with the team, he was basically playing as a role player and its more evident now playing alongside james and wade.Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
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Oh man, where do I even begin.
tbihis wrote: View PostBosh is averaging 6.1 FTA per game. And that should be expected since he's 6'11 and should be playing on the low block. Bargnani is avg 5.3, just one attempt below Bosh and we all think Bargnani is crap.
tbihis wrote: View PostI know 18-8 is nothing to sneeze at but for a guy who was a "franchise" player a year before, if he was really that good, he should still be averaging the same numbers as the year before.
tbihis wrote: View Post2 other players on the same team are better than him. Thats why he's a role player now. And i believe he's always been a role player, but he was just making monster numbers because nobody else on the raps team could do it.
tbihis wrote: View Postwell, you just proved that he actually cant carry a team. with those win numbers, he indeed cant carry a team. and so does kobe. but the difference is, you put kobe with other superstars and he still dominates. you put bosh with other superstars, he's a role player. lebron dominated in cleveland, and you put him with wade he still dominated. wade dominated with shaq in miami, not with lebron, he still dominates games.
tbihis wrote: View Postand about salaries, if you were the raptors, would you pay a guy 116 million to average 18-8 a night? i guess you would say that if he was with the raps, you pay him 16mil and he's avg 20-10. so you get another superstar in and he becomes a role player. he's not worth his salary anymore.
tbihis wrote: View Postim not upset with him leaving, im upset with him as a person.Last edited by Quixotic; Fri May 13, 2011, 06:42 PM.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostWell, first of all, Bosh is averaging more free throws on 5 FEWER SHOTS PER GAME!!! And as the third option. Bargnani takes 18 shots per game and is the first option.
As for Bosh the person, I really have no opinion on him. I don't try and get caught up in whether I like or dislike a player personally. He never betrayed me because I was never all that invested in him in the first place. He was a member of my favourite team, but nothing beyond that. I certainly think he could have handled his leaving better, but I'm not going to pretend I know what he was thinking and I think it's ridiculous to pretend you know. I think he gave the Raptors 6 years and they failed to bring enough talent to get the team past the first round. I don't really blame him for wanting to leave, quite frankly.
Man, I don't think I've spent more than 5 years in any one location since I was a teen. When you think of it in that sense, it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to leave just to try something new out.
And for the bolded part, but Timmy, there were CLUES and I pieced them all together and it allowed me to read his mind. Before anyone disputes the efficacy of this method, think back to your days in high school, when Bobby looked at Sue and Sue wouldn't look back, and then when Chris asked Bobby what he thought of Sue, Bobby said "she's cute." They were definitely doing the dirty over the weekend! Oh wait...
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Tim W. wrote: View PostWell, first of all, Bosh is averaging more free throws on 5 FEWER SHOTS PER GAME!!! And as the third option. Bargnani takes 18 shots per game and is the first option.
As for Bosh the person, I really have no opinion on him. I don't try and get caught up in whether I like or dislike a player personally. He never betrayed me because I was never all that invested in him in the first place. He was a member of my favourite team, but nothing beyond that. I certainly think he could have handled his leaving better, but I'm not going to pretend I know what he was thinking and I think it's ridiculous to pretend you know. I think he gave the Raptors 6 years and they failed to bring enough talent to get the team past the first round. I don't really blame him for wanting to leave, quite frankly.
Well, thats you. I personally despise him. We dont all have to have the same feelings towards everybody, right? I really dont have to pretend that i know what he was thinking, he pretty much says it everytime he gets interviewed. Its pretty much putting two and two together. I guess its just up to the person how to interpret it. I personally thought he never intended to re-sign with Toronto. That was he was thinking, and all the stuff that him, wade and lbj have been saying since the season started pretty much supports this. if you dont want to assume that this was what he was thinking, then thats you. I dont feel ridiculous to say that i know he really didnt intend to sign with Toronto, otherwise, he'd be in a raps uniform right now, dont you think?
i dont dispute the fact that he gave his best for the raptors during his time here, and pretty much everybody knows the raps didnt get enough talent with him to get this team somewhere. what im saying is he wont have the same recognitions he got if another superstar was on this team with him, as evident with his current performance with his current team.
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tbihis wrote: View PostI dont feel ridiculous to say that i know he really didnt intend to sign with Toronto, otherwise, he'd be in a raps uniform right now, dont you think?
1. He intended to leave the Raptors.
2. He intended to re-sign with the Raptors.
3. He kept his options open.
You make it sound like #1 and #2 are the only options available. Bosh no longer being in a Toronto uniform does nothing to suggest #3 isn't possible or true. Just because he didn't choose you doesn't mean he didn't keep his options open. Amusingly, it's because he kept his options open until his final decision, thereby not giving sufficient advance warning, that everyone is so mad. S M H (why is this censored?).
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You can see the fallacy of this statement by the fact that only four post players are ahead of him in this stat, none of whom play behind two superstars, but I guess it makes sense to expect something of all 6'11 post players that only 5-6 of them are able to do. Also, Bargnani accomplishes his 5'3 FTA per game by being the #1 option on the team, not as #3. And I don't know what Bargnani being "crap" has to do with Bosh; he's "crap" for different reasons.
LOL. Wade is averaging 1.1 points and half a free throw less than the year before. James is averaging 3 points and 1.8 FTAs less than the year before. Bosh is averaging 5.3 points and 2.3 FTAs less than the year before. I guess James just isn't that good (sarcasm). Also applying your logic to the Celtics, none of Allen, Pierce or Garnett are that good, as all 3 of them scored an average of 6 fewer points after joining up. You do realize that there are only a certain number of touches available right? As it is, each game only has the 3 of them taking shots, with the rest of the team doing very little. The only way all 3 of them maintain their numbers from last year is if nobody else on the team takes a single shot.
Im not saying Bosh is not good, he is, just as not what everybody initially thought.
This, quite possibly, is one of the most inane comments I've read. The first bit is only relevant if someone was trying to argue Bosh being better than James and Wade, or at least a top 5 player in the league, and I don't think anyone is trying to make that point. The second bit... by your logic, if Rose, Bryant and Amar'e joined forces, it would mean Amar'e is nothing more than a role player. As for the last statement, I find it amusing that on one hand you're saying he wasn't doing anything special, and on the other, that nobody else on our team was able to do what he did.
Love your reasoning. So by showing that nobody except maybe Lebron can carry a team, not even Wade or Kobe, it means Bosh sucks because he can't either?. And again, what is with your fascination with comparing Bosh to top 5 talents like Kobe, Lebron and Wade? Just because someone is in the tier after the top 5 doesn't mean they are only role players. You, sir, have a very warped view that isn't supported by anything, much less the NBA.
See, here's the thing about Raptors' fans like you that I've noticed. On one hand, you cry about the lack of talent on the team, and then when offered the possibility of keeping that talent, you cry that it's too expensive. Well, unfortunately, players are going to cost you what the market will bear, and a team that constantly dumps good players because they think the market price is unrealistic/undeserving/unfair, etc., is never going to have any, because none of the other teams are going to care that we think it's too much. Look at the Lakers, they have 3 players getting paid $14 mil, $18 mil and $25 mil. The Spurs are paying 3 players $12 mil, $14 mil and $19 mil. Same for the Magic, the Hawks (when Horford's rookie scale contract ends), the Knicks, etc. The fact is, once you're over the cap, and we always have been, it doesn't matter whether you're paying Bosh $16 mil or $14 mil or $18 mil. I think this point was clearly illustrated when Bosh walked with essentially nothing in return, and we STILL had no money to sign anyone with.
I hear this a lot. Morgan Freeman is dating is grand-daughter, which is certainly terrible, but are you upset about it so much you seek every avenue to debase him to feel better? I really think you're only upset because he left, but see what happens when you/I assume to read someone's mind? Yes, Bosh had a PR nightmare over the summer, but oh effing well. I'm pretty sure I'd have a problem with like half the people in the world if they were given a megaphone and a soapbox to stand on. Instead of worrying about people who suck, I'd rather focus on all the players I respect, like Alvin Williams and Roy Halladay. Life is too short to be angry over speculation about what someone was truly thinking.
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Quixotic wrote: View PostAnd for the bolded part, but Timmy, there were CLUES and I pieced them all together and it allowed me to read his mind. Before anyone disputes the efficacy of this method, think back to your days in high school, when Bobby looked at Sue and Sue wouldn't look back, and then when Chris asked Bobby what he thought of Sue, Bobby said "she's cute." They were definitely doing the dirty over the weekend! Oh wait...Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Quixotic wrote: View PostThree options:
1. He intended to leave the Raptors.
2. He intended to re-sign with the Raptors.
3. He kept his options open.
You make it sound like #1 and #2 are the only options available. Bosh no longer being in a Toronto uniform does nothing to suggest #3 isn't possible or true. Just because he didn't choose you doesn't mean he didn't keep his options open. Amusingly, it's because he kept his options open until his final decision, thereby not giving sufficient advance warning, that everyone is so mad. S M H (why is this censored?).
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Quixotic wrote: View PostThree options:
1. He intended to leave the Raptors.
2. He intended to re-sign with the Raptors.
3. He kept his options open.
You make it sound like #1 and #2 are the only options available. Bosh no longer being in a Toronto uniform does nothing to suggest #3 isn't possible or true. Just because he didn't choose you doesn't mean he didn't keep his options open. Amusingly, it's because he kept his options open until his final decision, thereby not giving sufficient advance warning, that everyone is so mad. S M H (why is this censored?).
Now, one can lay the blame down on BC for believing some basketball serf on an undertaking such as that... but if this really occurred then fans of this team have a right to feel they've been had. There is something to be said about one's word and the bond thing even in business. I am maybe a naive subscriber to that mo and it seems from watching BC's dealings with players (Peja is one example) he does too. And why he was as pissed as he was post departure of Bosh. No question he was had...by Bosh, his agent or both... and alongwith Riley possibly.
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