Bargs could become a force with his versatility. No 5 can guard a centre who comes off screens at the 3 point line and shoots like a shooting guard. This would open the inside for backdoors and mismatch post ups. Remember development isn't based on years in the league but age and bargni's onle 24. Jermanie oneal didnt blossom untill 5 th year.
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SirChillyMost wrote: View PostAny team that has to rely on Bargnani as its Franchise(Marquee) player is doomed in the NBA. Bargnani has shown me nothing but inconsistency over his career and in year 5 folks should expect more of the same- has Bargnani ever grabbed 20 rebounds in a game? Barg's had a chance to step up when Bosh was out and he did not- now he's suppose to lead TO for a whole season?lol With the bright lights focused on Bargnani in 2010-11 he will wilt from the brightness- just wait....pressure makes Diamonds but it also bursts pipes.
BC's Raptor vision is bullsh*t with Bargnani as the biggest roster turd!!!!!!!!
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brakeman1 wrote: View PostSirChillyMost wrote: View PostAny team that has to rely on Bargnani as its Franchise(Marquee) player is doomed in the NBA. Bargnani has shown me nothing but inconsistency over his career and in year 5 folks should expect more of the same- has Bargnani ever grabbed 20 rebounds in a game? Barg's had a chance to step up when Bosh was out and he did not- now he's suppose to lead TO for a whole season?lol With the bright lights focused on Bargnani in 2010-11 he will wilt from the brightness- just wait....pressure makes Diamonds but it also bursts pipes.
BC's Raptor vision is bullsh*t with Bargnani as the biggest roster turd!!!!!!!!Last edited by James Ballswin (Realizar); Sun Aug 22, 2010, 01:19 AM. Reason: Corrected formatting of quotation
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RaptorRoo wrote: View PostWho really cares if Bargs or the team for that matter isn't a draw in opposing teams arenas? In fact, that's can be to OUR advantage, because lower attendance in these arenas means neutralizing their home court advantage.
You can still be a very good player and not necessarily a marquee player because that just means you don't have a flashy style that would be considered highly marketable.
Whether or not Bargs is a marquee player doesn't have any bearing on the teams success on the court this season.
In the end I don't care if we are not considered a good draw on the road. That doesn't mean were not a good TEAM, it just means we don't have any marquee players that opposing fans would be excited to watch.
shane battier is not a marquee player. but he STILL IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER.
you dont HAVE TO BE a marquee player to be a good player, and the title in the thread again was not "NBA.com DOESNT think bargnani is a good player"
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vinnie_paz wrote: View Postthe title of the thread is something that is very important to read before posting.
shane battier is not a marquee player. but he STILL IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER.
you dont HAVE TO BE a marquee player to be a good player, and the title in the thread again was not "NBA.com DOESNT think bargnani is a good player"
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Pizzaman wrote: View PostNo offense but the suggestion to not build the offence around Bargnani because he only scored 14 PPG in 60% of his games (even though he played second or third fiddle to a ball hog) is pretty lame coming from you who made the statement that Amir Johnson is the teams best offensive and defensive player. How can you make such a statement especially given that Amir played mostly scrub minutes?
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Pizzaman wrote: View PostNo question at all the Jose had blinders on for Bosh, or man love or something else I cannot explain. In addition to his injuries and poor defense it was the most infuriating part of Jose's game to watch for me. He consistently blew off Bargnani and others for open sots in favour of a dump to Bosh so he could hold it for 12 seconds before deciding whether he thought the ref would give him the call if he tried to drive on two guys, or if he should jack it up or cough it up or give it back to Jose because eveyone knows Bosh is and was one of the worst passing big men in the game ( not surprising since he rarely looked to pass). For that reason and crappy defense I hope Jose is gone. I also blame the coach big time because he is supposed to have the control to change that or bench guys etc.. If Triano does not have that control the same thing will happen now with Weems and DD..with all the hype they may turn into Mike James and jack up everything they see. Good coaching will make sure that does not happen
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Frankthetank wrote: View PostWhat I've been trying to explain to you sirchilly is that Bargni isn't a finished product. If you look at his play in the european championships he's playing in the middle more and scoring most of his points inside. You can't grade andrea yet unless your psychic and I don't think you are. Here's the stats for the eur. championship and last game
http://www.usbasket.com/player.asp?C...PlayerID=42200
http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/...20_ITA_LAT.asp
Here's a prediction for you- BC's Bargnani fetish will eventually cost him his job like it cost him Bosh.
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Frankthetank wrote: View PostBargs could become a force with his versatility. No 5 can guard a centre who comes off screens at the 3 point line and shoots like a shooting guard. This would open the inside for backdoors and mismatch post ups. Remember development isn't based on years in the league but age and bargni's onle 24. Jermanie oneal didnt blossom untill 5 th year.
Also, JO broke out in year 6- his 2nd season in Indiana, when he averaged 19ppg the year before (year 5) he averaged 12ppg after being traded from Portland to Indiana. Plus JO only started 18 games his first 4 years in the NBA compared to the numerous time Barg's has started for TO. Waiting for Barg's to blossom is akin to watching paint dry. Barg's could become the NBA MVP with his versatility- or not.lol
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Should Bargnani Be The Raptors First Option on Offense in 2010-11?
Bosh was the first option in 09-10.
He was the first option because getting the ball to him first maximzed the Raptors chances of scoring on any give offensive sequence. As a result the Raptors finished in the top five in points per game in 09-10.
The question for 10-11 will be
Should Bargnani become the first option on offense in 10-11?
1. Bargnani is not the Raptors most efficient scorer even when he is not the first option. IF he were to become the first option on offense he wold most assuredly be double teamed. This will make him even less efficient especially when one.considers that he rarely gets to the foul line
2. Bargnani only averaged in 12.6 ppg from inside the arc in 09-10.
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1. Bosh--------23.6
2. Bargnani----13.0
3. Johnson-----12.7
The Raptors first option should not be a player who averages only 13.0 points per 36 minutes from inside the arc. Even with Bosh gone it is highly unlikely that Bargnani will increase his scoring from inside the arc that much. Davis and Johnson will be the Raptors primary low post scorers in 10-11.
DeRozan will average a lot more than 12.6 ppg from inside the arc in 10-11. Even Davis and/or Johnson should.
The first option on offense should be the Raptors most efficient scorer from inside that arc and in 10-11 that will most likely be either DeRozan, Davis or Johnson.
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Interesting look but,
What these stats really say is the Raptors were not a good enough team to win games unless Bargnani was hot from 3-pt land.
Bargs was smart enough to shoot more 3s when he was hot and a lot less when he was cool, but the team couldn't take advantage of him shooting fewer 3s and find other ways to score with those possessions.
Might want to note the games Bosh missed, plus that 2-8 stretch after the start of last season, and the 5 loses after Bosh came back from injury in those wins/losses as well. Other things could be in play here.
And just saying, No player hits on their 3-pointers at the same rate every game - that guy doesn't exist.
But maybe the conclusion should be the Raptors have to force Bargs to put up 4 or more 3-pointers every game in order to win.
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brothersteve wrote: View PostInteresting look but,
What these stats really say is the Raptors were not a good enough team to win games unless Bargnani was hot from 3-pt land.
Bargs was smart enough to shoot more 3s when he was hot and a lot less when he was cool, but the team couldn't take advantage of him shooting fewer 3s and find other ways to score with those possessions.
Might want to note the games Bosh missed, plus that 2-8 stretch after the start of last season, and the 5 loses after Bosh came back from injury in those wins/losses as well. Other things could be in play here.
And just saying, No player hits on their 3-pointers at the same rate every game - that guy doesn't exist.
But maybe the conclusion should be the Raptors have to force Bargs to put up 4 or more 3-pointers every game in order to win.Avatar: Riverboat Coffee House 134 Yorkville Ave. billboard of upcoming entertainers - Circa 1960s
Memories some so sweet, indeed
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“As a captain, I played furiously. I drew a lot of fouls, but I brought everything I had to every practice and to every game. I left everything on the court because I simply wanted the team to win”
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Well, Bargnani is the only one who can shoot outside the arc with consistency. If Bosh was as good as him beyond the arc, surely that number wouldn't be as high. Also, Bargnani has the most developed offensive skills on the team, so he should definetly considered for the #1 option. As for Johnson and Davis? No chance. Johnson can barely shoot past 12 feet and if were double teamed inside, he would become rendered useless on offence. As for Davis, he hasn't proved any reason to be or not to be the first option. So we'll have to wait and see on the one.
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