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Soft Euro wrote: View PostAs someone who has absolutely never been an Andrea detractor and has posted defenses of Andrea when I felt that bad arguments were made, let me answer this. I'm pretty sure DeRozan can hit lots of 3's in a row in practice and I will not be surprised if he would hit threes in a pick-up game. I would not at all be convinced he could do this in an nba game where you have actual opponents. To say a couple of months after a season has ended that a player who gets paid for basketball for probably close to 10 years (maybe 8, I haven't checked) suddenly is better at something is not something I believe very quickly. Boxing out against probably players of inferior strength, lower weight, less experience, etc. is quite something different as boxing out an nba pf or center.Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY
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WJF wrote: View PostTo all the Andrea detractors I will ask this. If Demar had back to back games with 8 3 pointers made, even against weaker competition, would you not think that he will show an improved 3 point shot next year? Is this not at least a little similar to that?
Rebounding, on the other hand, is far more instinctual. It's hard to "learn" how to rebound. You can learn techniques, sure, but in the end, it's more mental than physical. Bargnani has absolutely no physical impediments to being able to rebound. As I already mentioned, he grabbed 17 against Indiana, a year and a half ago, and then went out the next game and grabbed 12 against New York. Then over the next 10 games he went out and averaged just 5.1 rpg.
The problem with Bargnani is not that he can't rebound. It's that he can't rebound consistently. In his five years in the NBA, it's simply a skill he has never shown. And it's not a skill that easily acquired.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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WJF wrote: View PostI made sure to watch the video a second time before commenting on your post. Now, I am not saying Andrea will be bringing this type of rebounding to the NBA when it starts back up, but I will say this. He was boxing out, no not on every possession, but he was making contact and then going to pursue the ball. To say that the majority of his rebounds were off of jump shots and just came to him is inaccurate, he actually made an effort to go towards the ball and go and get it. He was not pursuing the ball like Denis Rodman, but he was far from flat footed either. It is this effort and attention to rebounding that has me a little hopeful that he will have a better season on the glass...it can't get any worse can it? Back to back 10 plus rebound games is nice to see, it does not mean anything yet, but it is worth following.
To all the Andrea detractors I will ask this. If Demar had back to back games with 8 3 pointers made, even against weaker competition, would you not think that he will show an improved 3 point shot next year? Is this not at least a little similar to that?
It is funny you bring up dennis rodman, bargnani has 5 inches, and thirty pounds on rodman, and the only difference between is one is committed to something other then offense.
In regards to your last little statement, rebounding and three point shooting are really similar, like you need to have a good form and it needs to repeat every time. If DeMar has a good form, then I expect him to be a good shooter. Bargnani did not show good rebounding "form". The situations are different though, because this game was a strange game. In this situation where italy won 63-102 and BYU chucked three pointer after three pointer and stopped trying by the fourth, after a third quarter where they only had 9 points (to italy with 34). There were tons of misses. That and the zone that Italy played, Bargnani did not have to work for very many of his boards. Like I said, the reason he does not get games like this in the nba is because he does not work for many boards.
This is just my opinion from what I am seeing. Maybe I am being a pessimist or you an optimist? lol.Last edited by Red and White; Thu Aug 25, 2011, 10:35 PM.
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RAPresenting wrote: View PostIs there a box score for that game? lol proof may be required.
Italia. Cinciarini 7 (1/1, 1/1), Poeta 1(0/1 da tre), Mancinelli 10 (5/6, 0/1), Bargnani 17 (7/12), Gallinari 21 (4/7, 2/4), Belinelli 15 (5/10 da tre), Vitali 2 (1/3, 0/5), Maestranzi 5 (1/1, 1/1), Cusin 7 (2/2), Datome 10 (2/2, 1/4), Renzi, Carraretto 7 (3/3, 0/2). Allenatore: Simone Pianigiani
Bringham Young University. Abouo 8 (2/7, 0/5), Cusick, Zylstra 26 (9/11, 2/7), Winder (0/1, 0/3), Rogers 3 (0/1, 1/5), Harrison 12 (2/8, 2/8), Harston 6 (2/8, 0/1), Sharp 4 (1/3, 0/1), Martineau 4 (1/1, 0/2), Allenatore: Dave Rose.
Arbitri: Tomov (Bul), Somos (Gre), Cmikiewicz (Pol)
Tiri. T2 Ita 26/37, BYU 17/40. T3 Ita 10/29, BYU 5/32. TL Ita 20/28, BYU 14/16. Rimbalzi: Ita 50 (Bargnani 19), BYU 34. Assist: Ita 19 (Mancinelli 5), BYU 12 (Harrison 3).Let's go Raptors!
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Check out 1:03 in the Greece clip - maybe he has been doing some mma.
And that first highlight (offensive rebound in the middle of 3 opponents and dunk on 2) was impressive.
Of course the cynic in me says.............
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Love seeing any positive news from any of our players. He's taking more heat this off season then ever before and hopefully he's taking it to heart. It's been a couple games with a good amount of boards but also seems to be more alert on the defensive end. Small sample and not looking into it too much but any good press is okay with me!
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Orlando Sentinel ranks Bargnani #9 C in the league
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...5.storygallery
1 Dwight Howard
2 Al Horford
3 Al Jefferson
4 Nene
5 Joakim Noah
6 Andrew Bynum
7 Marc Gasol
8 Andrew Bogut
9 Andrea Bargnani
10 Brook Lopez
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Matt52 wrote: View Posthttp://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...5.storygallery
1 Dwight Howard
2 Al Horford
3 Al Jefferson
4 Nene
5 Joakim Noah
6 Andrew Bynum
7 Marc Gasol
8 Andrew Bogut
9 Andrea Bargnani
10 Brook LopezRead my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Tim W. wrote: View PostIf it raises his trade value, I'm fine with it. But there are about 15-20 centers in the league I'd take ahead of Bargnani.
On a more serious note, the other centers not on the list:
-Chandler
-Gortat (who should be number 9 or 10)
-Duncan (I never understand why he isn't considered a C considering he always plays C)
-Okafor
-Perkins
That doesn't include Hibbert, McGee, Cousins, Monroe or DeAndrea Jordan who I'd rather take a chance with than Andrea.
After those guys he's right up there.
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